Israel-Hamas War 2023

[Admiral Yi]

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[Zoupa]

I haven't seen one post where Raz states he's concerned about Palestinian collateral damage. I'm happy to be proven wrong if such posts exist.

We have a number of posters who don't participate at all in this thread.  Can we conclude from this that they are wholly unconcerned about Palestinian and Israeli civilian deaths?

Have you ever posted your concern about Israeli deaths or hostages?

Answer to your first question: I don't know, data is insufficient.

Answer to your second question: I don't know if I've posted about it, it's been almost two years and I can't recall. Oct 7th were some brutal images and whoever participated should be hunted to the ends of the earth, including the mobs that formed in Gaza proper when they brought the hostages.

I maintain that the IDF's methods are barbaric and counterproductive.

[Jacob]

I'm agreeing with Hillary's point, that protestors protest when there is opposition to their position.  You attended a pro Ukraine protest, but as there isn't any significant support for Russia in Canada, it's not an on going thing.

Got it. Thank you

[Caliga]

We have a number of posters who don't participate at all in this thread.

[Admiral Yi]

Answer to your first question: I don't know, data is insufficient.

What additional data do you have about Raz that leads to a different conclusion?

[Legbiter]

We have a number of posters who don't participate at all in this thread.

I watched the 7th October carnage via my Ukrainian OSINT accounts and boy do I wish I had never seen what Hamas decided they were most proud of. I keep my thoughts and my mouth carefully silent because I don't want to descend down to sounding like the Warhammer 40k Imperium of Man opining about xenos. Doing so is corrosive to one's soul and accomplishes nothing.

But I will always remember what I saw.

[Zoupa]

Answer to your first question: I don't know, data is insufficient.

What additional data do you have about Raz that leads to a different conclusion?

His posts about the current conflict.

[Tonitrus]

We have a number of posters who don't participate at all in this thread.

Their loss.

This thread is a dumpster fire with the power of a thousand Suns. 

[crazy canuck]

Following the massacre of civilians attempting to get to the aid trucks over the weekend, 25 countries have issued a joint statement saying the war in Gaza must stop now.

Twenty-five countries, including Canada, France, and several European Union member states, issued a joint statement on Monday urging Israel to end its war in Gaza.

"We, the signatories listed below, come together with a simple, urgent message: the war in Gaza must end now," said the letter written by foreign ministers.

"The suffering of civilians in Gaza has reached new depths. The Israeli government's aid delivery model is dangerous, fuels instability and deprives Gazans of human dignity. We condemn the drip feeding of aid and the inhumane killing of civilians, including children, seeking to meet their most basic needs of water and food," the statement continued.

The countries are urging parties and the international community to come together to bring the conflict to an end through an unconditional and permanent ceasefire. The statement said that "further bloodshed serves no purpose" and reiterated its support of the efforts of U.S., Qatar and Egypt to mediate.

"We are prepared to take further action to support an immediate ceasefire and a political pathway to security and peace for Israelis, Palestinians and the entire region."

The foreign ministers said it is "horrifying" that more than 800 Palestinians have been killed while seeking aid. The statement said that the Israeli government's denial of humanitarian aid to civilians in Gaza is "unacceptable."

UN agencies and other humanitarian aid organizations have warned for months that people in Gaza are at risk of famine and have criticized Israel's aid delivery system. Israel has backed the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation, an American contractor that has been in charge of delivering supplies to people in Gaza. But since their work began in May, hundreds of Palestinians have been killed by Israeli soldiers, according to UN figures.


The statement continued by saying that the hostages held by Hamas since Oct. 7, 2023 "continue to suffer terribly," with the ministers condemning their continued detention and calling for their immediate release. The statement says a ceasefire is the best chance of bringing them home and ending the "agony of their families."

The 25 countries called on Israel to immediately lift restrictions on aid waiting to enter Gaza and "urgently enable" the UN and humanitarian non-governmental organizations to do their life saving work.

"We call on all parties to protect civilians and uphold the obligations of international humanitarian law. Proposals to remove the Palestinian population into a 'humanitarian city' are completely unacceptable. Permanent forced displacement is a violation of international humanitarian law."

Nearly 800 killed in six weeks while receiving aid in Gaza, UN human rights office says

The foreign ministers said they oppose any steps toward territorial or demographic change in the Occupied Palestinian Territories.

"The E1 settlement plan announced by Israel's Civil Administration, if implemented, would divide a future Palestinian state in two, marking a flagrant breach of international law, and critically undermine the two-state solution. Meanwhile, settlement building across the West Bank and East Jerusalem has accelerated while settler violence against Palestinians has soared. This must stop."

Israel's foreign ministry said in a post on X that Israel rejects the joint statement, saying it is "disconnected from reality and sends the wrong message to Hamas."

[crazy canuck]

We have a number of posters who don't participate at all in this thread.

Their loss.

This thread is a dumpster fire with the power of a thousand Suns. 

The thread started out well enough. I encourage people to come back into the thread to discuss what is happening. 

[The Minsky Moment]

Some aspiring Woodward and Bernstein should follow the money on the "Gaza Humanitarian Foundation".

[crazy canuck]

Some aspiring Woodward and Bernstein should follow the money on the "Gaza Humanitarian Foundation".

Yeah, I had the same thought.

[Neil]

There was no significant support for nuclear weapons in Vancouver, or Canada.

That's a pretty dubious statement.  The NATO alliance has been pretty popular, and even these days.  Support for nuclear weapons is support for peace.

[HVC]

Louis Theroux made a BBC documentary about Israeli settlers for the BBC. Once I replied to this thread my phone knew and started giving me israel themed YouTube content ( ) and clips have popped up a few times. any Brits watch it? I've found it ( : ) but don't know if it's worth watching.

[crazy canuck]

There was no significant support for nuclear weapons in Vancouver, or Canada.

That's a pretty dubious statement.  The NATO alliance has been pretty popular, and even these days.  Support for nuclear weapons is support for peace.

What does support for NATO have to do with protests to ensure no nuclear weapons come onto Canadian soil?  Those protests were successful. To this day no US vessels with nuclear weapons are permitted in Canadian ports. But our support for NATO continues.

The main point is the protests were demonstrating the will of the people, not opposition to a position the government was ever likely to take.