Israel-Hamas War 2023

[Tamas]

France should acknowledge responsibility, move in, and kick Hezbollah out.

[crazy canuck]

Yeah this an odd sort of discussion.  Lebanon is a pretty small country and there aren't a lot of "safe" places to live.  Nor can most of the population simply retire to their estates in Provence.  Beirut is a target, the entire South is a target.  The northern part suffered from riots not the long ago due to massive unemployment and food shortages.  East is the marvelous safe haven of Assad's Syria.  West is a large body of salt water.

Collectively speaking the Lebanese screwed up by allowing Hezbollah a political foothold.  As individuals, it's hard to blame them personally for current events.

It's possible to hold all those ideas and yet still not blame Israel because the horrific terrorist group that keeps murdering their civilians hides like a pack of cowards in an inner city apartment bloc.

Well said

[Tamas]

So is this another arm-flailing of an Iranian strike thanks to Israeli and US efforts?

[Legbiter]

So is this another arm-flailing of an Iranian strike thanks to Israeli and US efforts?

They're hitting Israeli cities. There will be a strong response.

[crazy canuck]

So is this another arm-flailing of an Iranian strike thanks to Israeli and US efforts?

No, this is the expansion of the war.  Israel will have to respond. 

[Iormlund]

So, odds on a nuclear response?

[Habbaku]

0%.

[viper37]

It isn't Israel's problem that people live in the place that is daily launching rockets at their country. You guys are literally insane. The standard some of you hem and haw around is one where "well, you can't attack a country if they have civilians." Okay cool, I guess since every country has civilians, no more wars. But wait, when a country with civilians attacks another country, the victim can't counterattack because of the civilians present in the aggressor? That's absurd.

Something like 20,000 French civilians died in the first weeks of the Normandy invasion.

Well, Israel has a right to defend itself, up to a point.

They can't really claim the moral high ground by saying "we did warn them to leave the place before destroying everything".

Of course, it's something that is totally irrelevant to you.  Whatever Israel does, it's justified, whomever is dead is allright.

[Iormlund]

0%.

[Iormlund]

So far it seems the only victim was a Gazan refugee in Jericho.

[OttoVonBismarck]

Iran is claiming 90% of their missiles struck their targets.

[grumbler]

Iran is claiming 90% of their missiles struck their targets.

If their targets were Israeli and US SAMs, they may be right.

[viper37]

France should acknowledge responsibility, move in, and kick Hezbollah out.

France can't even manage itself nowadays.

[crazy canuck]

0%.

When I read that, I knocked on every piece of wood I could find.

[HisMajestyBOB]

Iran is claiming 90% of their missiles struck their targets.

If their targets were Israeli and US SAMs, they may be right.

The Iranians are clever, they don't pick out their targets until after the missile lands.