Israel-Hamas War 2023

[The Minsky Moment]

The direction in German foreign policy towards Russia since 2022 has been a lot more reassuring than the direction of the GOP foreign policy thinking in the US over the same time period.

At least unless MDGA NSDAP - sorry I mean AfD takes over and sells the whole country out to Moscow.

[Solmyr]

It's rich for Otto to say that western European countries are not doing enough against Russia when his own candidate is sucking Putin's dick.

[frunk]

It's rich for Otto to say that western European countries are not doing enough against Russia when his own candidate is sucking Putin's dick.

And his party delayed critical Ukrainian aid for 8 months for....reasons.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

It's rich for Otto to say that western European countries are not doing enough against Russia when his own candidate is sucking Putin's dick.

And his party delayed critical Ukrainian aid for 8 months for....reasons.

They also looked in Putin's eyes and saw something that apparently wasn't bad around 2001

[Josquius]

https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/

Scroll down to "Government support to Ukraine: By donor country GDP" and the US isn't even in the top 10 20....

Consider too much of this US aid isn't new spending but rather goods being released from its extensive stockpiles.

[viper37]

It's good that Israel is the good guy.  I'd hate to see the bad guy here.
https://x.com/RamAbdu/status/1837483041360695761

[garbon]

And here I thought Israel is a country.

[viper37]

And here I thought Israel is a country.

Don't be a Raz.

[Threviel]

It's good that Israel is the good guy.  I'd hate to see the bad guy here.
https://x.com/RamAbdu/status/1837483041360695761

Just look at what happened that kicked off all of this, the October 7th attack. That's the bad guys.

Compared to them and their ilk the Israelis has to do a whole lot worse in order for them to be seen as anything else than the good guys.

[Razgovory]

https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/

Scroll down to "Government support to Ukraine: By donor country GDP" and the US isn't even in the top 10 20....

Consider too much of this US aid isn't new spending but rather goods being released from its extensive stockpiles.

What an odd way to frame this.

[OttoVonBismarck]

You're so fucking stupid if you're going to bitch about American contributions to Ukraine. We are the only reason they have been able to resist at all, I'm sorry our GDP is vastly bigger than most of the other bitch countries in the West, but that's your fault for having small and weak fuck countries. We have given more money to Ukraine than most countries spend on their entire military in 5 years time.

[Grey Fox]

Yes, thank you USA. No thanks to you OVB, traitor.

[Barrister]

It's rich for Otto to say that western European countries are not doing enough against Russia when his own candidate is sucking Putin's dick.

And his party delayed critical Ukrainian aid for 8 months for....reasons.

They also looked in Putin's eyes and saw something that apparently wasn't bad around 2001

OK, so GWB's assessment of Putin in 2001 is hilariously bad in hindsight.  Absolutely no doubt about that.

The thing is - A: hindsight is 20/20, as they say.  Trusting in Putin wasn't necessarily so stupid back in 2001.  The USSR had collapsed less than 10 years earlier.  Yeltsin had been - okay - as a partner but obviously had his own personal foibles (glug, glug) but the idea that Putin might be a someone the west could work with wasn't crazy.  Remember Russia actually did a lot to help in the aftermath of 9/11, in particualr in Afghanistan which he might have otherwise considered to be in Russia's "sphere of influence".

B: there's such a total disconnect between Bush's GOP and Trump's GOP I don't think any comparison between the two is fair.

[Valmy]

The thing is - A: hindsight is 20/20, as they say.  Trusting in Putin wasn't necessarily so stupid back in 2001.

Dude. I mean people gave Dubya shit for it at the time for a reason.

Yeltsin had been - okay - as a partner but obviously had his own personal foibles (glug, glug) but the idea that Putin might be a someone the west could work with wasn't crazy.  Remember Russia actually did a lot to help in the aftermath of 9/11, in particualr in Afghanistan which he might have otherwise considered to be in Russia's "sphere of influence".

I mean things were better but it was pretty clear by Putin's rhetoric and actions that he was taking Russia in a dangerous authoritarian direction. Granted things turned out far worse than we thought.

As for Yeltsin, he used the military to crush parliament and establish all the tools that led to Putin's regime. The man strangled Russian democracy in its crib.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

It's rich for Otto to say that western European countries are not doing enough against Russia when his own candidate is sucking Putin's dick.

And his party delayed critical Ukrainian aid for 8 months for....reasons.

They also looked in Putin's eyes and saw something that apparently wasn't bad around 2001

OK, so GWB's assessment of Putin in 2001 is hilariously bad in hindsight.  Absolutely no doubt about that.

The thing is - A: hindsight is 20/20, as they say.  Trusting in Putin wasn't necessarily so stupid back in 2001.  The USSR had collapsed less than 10 years earlier.  Yeltsin had been - okay - as a partner but obviously had his own personal foibles (glug, glug) but the idea that Putin might be a someone the west could work with wasn't crazy.  Remember Russia actually did a lot to help in the aftermath of 9/11, in particualr in Afghanistan which he might have otherwise considered to be in Russia's "sphere of influence".

B: there's such a total disconnect between Bush's GOP and Trump's GOP I don't think any comparison between the two is fair.

Sure, I know that. Doesn't mean I can't use it as a counter example to putin-is-my-candidate's-handler Germany example.
I'll throw a reset button in too, for good measure.