Israel-Hamas War 2023

[Josquius]

The Israel lobby.

75% of Palestinians want Israel gone.  This isn't some fringe belief.

 
Typical of someone who has fully swallowed that stuff to pick up solely on that bit.
And no. 75% of Palestinians have said nothing of the sort. Plus we aren't talking about Palestinians here.

You're right - it was only 74.7% of Palestinians.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/new-poll-shows-palestinians-are-the-impediment-to-peace-not-israels-war

Now that's what I call a biased article.

Supporting a one state solution isn't the same thing as the implied genocide of Israelis.

Even if we assume they all mean it that way... Do you not think current events might somewhat sway views?

[Admiral Yi]

Now that's what I call a biased article.

Supporting a one state solution isn't the same thing as the implied genocide of Israelis.

It gets a lot closer to genocide when you factor in Raz's survey about attitudes towards Hamas.  And Hamas' charter.

[Josquius]

Now that's what I call a biased article.

Supporting a one state solution isn't the same thing as the implied genocide of Israelis.

It gets a lot closer to genocide when you factor in Raz's survey about attitudes towards Hamas.  And Hamas' charter.

The 10% who want a Hamas government?

[Admiral Yi]

The 10% who want a Hamas government?

I don't understand the question.

[Barrister]

The Israel lobby.

75% of Palestinians want Israel gone.  This isn't some fringe belief.

 
Typical of someone who has fully swallowed that stuff to pick up solely on that bit.
And no. 75% of Palestinians have said nothing of the sort. Plus we aren't talking about Palestinians here.

You're right - it was only 74.7% of Palestinians.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/new-poll-shows-palestinians-are-the-impediment-to-peace-not-israels-war

Now that's what I call a biased article.

Supporting a one state solution isn't the same thing as the implied genocide of Israelis.

Even if we assume they all mean it that way... Do you not think current events might somewhat sway views?

If you don't like the article there's an embedded link to the survey itself.  That being said I don't see it as biased - it's just reporting the results of the survey.  It is however listed as an opinion piece, so it's allowed to have some bias.

The survey itself never asks "do you think the Jews should all be killed" so I'm not implying anything about Palestinian attitudes towards genocide.  I think  it worth noting however that 59.3% of Palestinians surveyed strongly supported the October 7 attacks, with another 15.7% somewhat supporting the attacks.  When 75% of Palestinians want all of "between the river and the sea" to be a Palestinian state, and 75% of Palestinians support the October 7 terrorist attacks, it makes me a lot less hopeful for peace.

[Razgovory]

The Israel lobby.

75% of Palestinians want Israel gone.  This isn't some fringe belief.

 
Typical of someone who has fully swallowed that stuff to pick up solely on that bit.
And no. 75% of Palestinians have said nothing of the sort. Plus we aren't talking about Palestinians here.

I posted a survey.  It also gave Hamas support at about 75% in Palestine.

[crazy canuck]

The Israel lobby.

75% of Palestinians want Israel gone.  This isn't some fringe belief.

 
Typical of someone who has fully swallowed that stuff to pick up solely on that bit.
And no. 75% of Palestinians have said nothing of the sort. Plus we aren't talking about Palestinians here.

I posted a survey.  It also gave Hamas support at about 75% in Palestine.

Your source is entirely inconsistent with all of the other data.

[HVC]

You guys catch stuart seldowitz racist rant at a halal food truck guy? Former deputy director of the United States Department of State's Office of Israel and Palestinian Affairs to put it in perspective.

A choice quote being " If we killed 4,000 Palestinian kids, you know what? It wasn't enough. It wasn't enough."

[viper37]

Now that's what I call a biased article.

Supporting a one state solution isn't the same thing as the implied genocide of Israelis.

It gets a lot closer to genocide when you factor in Raz's survey about attitudes towards Hamas.  And Hamas' charter.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/israeli-polls-regarding-peace-with-the-palestinians]Israeli attitude toward peace

Palestinian attitude toward peace


There has been a marked decline of Palestinians convictions that peace with Israel is achievable.  I do wonder why.  Could it be that they see the settlement and the attitude of Israel toward them as a problem?

I think asking the question is answering it.

The pro-Israel side is talking like it's been a status quo since 2000 and there was a functioning Palestinian state left alone peacefully in its corner that only maliciously attacked poor Israel forced to defend itself.

[Valmy]

Your source is entirely inconsistent with all of the other data.

The wishcasting that either of these groups can be trusted is depressing.

In any case even if 10% support Hamas and 90% support somebody else I don't see much evidence those 90% like something I am going to be excited about.

When I hold Israelis responsible for the people they support suddenly that is ok. But if I dare point out the actions the Palestinians take suddenly the "data" says something else. Not data that has ever had any actual impact anywhere but I guess it is exists. Magic copium data. The actual data of decades of history says something quite different.

Eventually the Palestinians will get another chance to show they are in favor of peace and justice and, like the other dozens of opportunities they have had, they will show otherwise. I will be delighted to be wrong but don't try to piss on me and tell me it is raining. A large enough number of Palestinians want victory over Israel and will lie and say whatever they can to bring that about. A large enough number to poison any and everything. Thinking anything else is wishful thinking IMO.

And I am not saying the Israelis are much better, especially not the gang of assholes currently in power.

[Razgovory]

The Israel lobby.

75% of Palestinians want Israel gone.  This isn't some fringe belief.

 
Typical of someone who has fully swallowed that stuff to pick up solely on that bit.
And no. 75% of Palestinians have said nothing of the sort. Plus we aren't talking about Palestinians here.

I posted a survey.  It also gave Hamas support at about 75% in Palestine.

Your source is entirely inconsistent with all of the other data.

All other data = your personal opinon.

[Admiral Yi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8B9Is2gT3Q

Video of Seldowitz going off.

[HVC]

He came back over a 2 week period to rehash. He'd fit right in here

[Jacob]

Saying "KIlling 4,000 children is not enough" is fucked in the head and evil.

[HVC]

Saying "KIlling 4,000 children is not enough" is fucked in the head and evil.

Also threatened to have Egyptian secret service abduct and torture his dad. Insinuated the guy rapes his own daughter. Class act all around. And again worked for the United States Department of State's Office of Israel and Palestinian Affairs