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2024 US Presidential Elections Megathread

Started by Syt, May 25, 2023, 02:23:01 AM

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Josquius

Even if Biden was perfectly healthy, he is doing a terrible job of pinning the blame for inflation where it belongs.
Reading a fair bit that the price rises are being labelled as his fault.
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Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 12, 2024, 03:01:28 AMWhere does the blame truly lie?

It's complicated. But the notion the current president conjured current global economic conditions out of thin air is a tad absurd. Bill Clinton's doing.
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Quote from: Grey Fox on July 12, 2024, 10:13:06 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 12, 2024, 03:01:28 AMWhere does the blame truly lie?

Greed, well Capitalism.
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Valmy

Quote from: Grey Fox on July 12, 2024, 10:13:06 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 12, 2024, 03:01:28 AMWhere does the blame truly lie?

Greed, well Capitalism.

Well I think those are two related issues.

One is that the US economy (and maybe the world economy? IDK) is increasingly being concentrated into the hands of a few cartels and monopolies that are working hard to use their market share to suppress wages and increase prices. So that's a problem. So people who want to point to greed certainly have some things to point out.

On the other hand we just are (were?) in an inflationary moment in the world economy due to the fallout from Covid. Governments spent a lot to offset the impacts of the lockdowns and supply chains were disrupted, hence inflation.
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Norgy

I would be interested in knowing where exactly to "pin" inflation. I just love simple explanations. The less factors considered, the better.

The Minsky Moment

I don't think the inflation was a huge mystery, it was global phenomenon, arising from the impact of the pandemic and the subsequent lifting of restrictions.
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The Minsky Moment

Quote from: Valmy on July 12, 2024, 12:42:01 PMOn the other hand we just are (were?) in an inflationary moment in the world economy due to the fallout from Covid. Governments spent a lot to offset the impacts of the lockdowns and supply chains were disrupted, hence inflation.

This.
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Sheilbh

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on July 12, 2024, 02:23:18 PMI don't think the inflation was a huge mystery, it was global phenomenon, arising from the impact of the pandemic and the subsequent lifting of restrictions.
Also major fossil fuel exporter invading major agriculture centre.

I think there is also evidence, in the US, of sellers' inflation/"greedflation". I think it's less a factor in Europe.
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The Minsky Moment

Quote from: Sheilbh on July 12, 2024, 02:29:23 PMI think there is also evidence, in the US, of sellers' inflation/"greedflation". I think it's less a factor in Europe.

Maybe but if there's a difference it isn't clearly reflected in the overall rates in the two areas.
Invoking my inner Yi, I'd say there's a very fine line between "greedflation" and businesses in a market economy setting prices reflective of actual market supply and demand conditions. Perhaps so fine it's not really a line at all.
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Quote from: Norgy on July 12, 2024, 01:35:55 PMI would be interested in knowing where exactly to "pin" inflation. I just love simple explanations. The less factors considered, the better.

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Quote from: Norgy on July 12, 2024, 01:35:55 PMI would be interested in knowing where exactly to "pin" inflation. I just love simple explanations. The less factors considered, the better.

Excess money supply.

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Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 12, 2024, 04:30:25 PM
Quote from: Norgy on July 12, 2024, 01:35:55 PMI would be interested in knowing where exactly to "pin" inflation. I just love simple explanations. The less factors considered, the better.

Excess money supply.

Not necessarily, it could be increased money velocity.