4 dead, 159 missing in Miami building collapse

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alfred russel

#30
June 25, 2021, 01:42:55 PM
Quote from: viper37 on June 25, 2021, 01:06:35 PM
The government should be footing the bill to repair older buildings to bring up to current norms, but if we're talking about solidifying foundations, it's not gonna be easy and it will involve a lot of billions$.  Not sure the Floridian voters will agree to pay a lot more in taxes to finance that.

Why should the government be footing the bill for that?

The government didn't pay for new buildings to be up to current standards, and it didn't pay for older buildings that exceeded the codes pre andrew. Seems like a bailout of landlords and other large property owners that have unsafe buildings.
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Legbiter

#31
June 25, 2021, 01:57:11 PM
Just awful. :(

The only good thing I saw was that man who pulled that child out of the wreckage.

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jimmy olsen

#32
June 25, 2021, 09:32:02 PM Last Edit: June 25, 2021, 09:34:46 PM by jimmy olsen
Quote from: The Brain on June 25, 2021, 08:53:32 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 25, 2021, 07:51:16 AM
Quote from: The Brain on June 25, 2021, 07:39:33 AM
How many other buildings are at risk, and what measures are being taken regarding those?
It's Florida, so almost all buildings are at risk of subsidence and collapse.


There are no building codes?
Florida is mostly limestone so sinkholes can strike anywhere, anytime.

EDIT: Or not, as the above map demonstrates. Learned something today.
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The Minsky Moment

#33
June 28, 2021, 03:41:20 PM
The discussion/speculation with the engineer talking heads seems to revolve around the integrity of the foundations and/or supporting structures on the lower levels. Some combination of construction and maintenance. 
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The Minsky Moment

#34
June 28, 2021, 03:48:26 PM
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Valmy

#35
June 28, 2021, 03:57:49 PM
That is some extensive damage and maintenance issues. I can probably guess the decision was made it would be ungodly expensive to do the repairs so just hope nothing goes wrong.
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Sheilbh

#36
June 28, 2021, 04:11:49 PM
Also some bad writing - surely you lead with the most serious issues and what needs to be done about them rather than issues with the window sealent and balconies :blink:
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The Brain

#37
June 28, 2021, 04:16:33 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 28, 2021, 04:11:49 PM
Also some bad writing - surely you lead with the most serious issues and what needs to be done about them rather than issues with the window sealent and balconies :blink:

I think you can expect the client to read the whole report.
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Valmy

#38
June 28, 2021, 04:18:50 PM Last Edit: June 28, 2021, 04:23:38 PM by Valmy
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 28, 2021, 04:11:49 PM
Also some bad writing - surely you lead with the most serious issues and what needs to be done about them rather than issues with the window sealent and balconies :blink:

As an engineer I often do a certain order when I write reports, not even bothering to mention some serious issue until I get to that part of the report, so it could be that is just how this engineer's reports are written.
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Sheilbh

#39
June 28, 2021, 04:20:44 PM Last Edit: June 28, 2021, 04:23:18 PM by Sheilbh
As a lawyer - I've always learned that clients will probably read one or two pages at most (especially if they're not also lawyers) so make sure the most important information is at the top and possibly in bold :lol:

Edit: And - "for detailed analysis please see schedule/appendix/annex".
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alfred russel

#40
June 28, 2021, 04:21:29 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 28, 2021, 04:11:49 PM
Also some bad writing - surely you lead with the most serious issues and what needs to be done about them rather than issues with the window sealent and balconies :blink:

I bet they were putting the report together with standard forms and those were easy issues to write up and complete. You put them at the top of the report so the last sections to be completed won't interfere with the spacing of the previously completed sections.
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Valmy

#41
June 28, 2021, 04:24:48 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 28, 2021, 04:20:44 PM
Edit: And - "for detailed analysis please see schedule/appendix/annex".

Oh God. Half the lawyers I work with want me to call those "exhibits" and the other half want me to call them "attachments"

They just keep changing it from one to the other arbitrarily whenever I want to file something.
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The Brain

#42
June 28, 2021, 04:25:15 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 28, 2021, 04:20:44 PM
As a lawyer - I've always learned that clients will probably read one or two pages at most (especially if they're not also lawyers) so make sure the most important information is at the top and possibly in bold :lol:

I'm not aware of any industry where not reading safety reports is an option.
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#43
June 28, 2021, 04:45:26 PM
Food service.
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alfred russel

#44
June 28, 2021, 04:48:48 PM
Quote from: The Brain on June 28, 2021, 04:25:15 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 28, 2021, 04:20:44 PM
As a lawyer - I've always learned that clients will probably read one or two pages at most (especially if they're not also lawyers) so make sure the most important information is at the top and possibly in bold :lol:

I'm not aware of any industry where not reading safety reports is an option.

It looks like the report was addressed to the condo board. I wonder who was on that, and if they cared.
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

There's a fine line between salvation and drinking poison in the jungle.

I'm embarrassed. I've been making the mistake of associating with you. It won't happen again. :)
-garbon, February 23, 2014
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