Cancel Culture Conversation Not Cancelled

[Crazy_Ivan80]

The idea of Chinese rising up to demand democracy once they have become middle class has not really been tested.  But so far that theory doesn't really hold up.  Tiananmen was crushed rather easily.

Yeah and I'm not sure any Western coalition would win in some generational ideological struggle against China. For one, the chamber of commerce Right in most Western countries would be adamantly against it. Imagine the Cold War against the Soviets with big business interests firmly on the Soviet side.

not only the businesses, but many of the people too. Both on the left and right authoritarian tendencies have gained massive strenght. Cancelling is in, civil discussion is out.

[Valmy]

You guys should take it easy on Mono. It can be very dangerous for him to hint he might not agree with the regime. In some database somewhere a record is being made of his Internet activity, and it can be looked at whenever somebody important enough wants to give his job to somebody else.

When he claims he wants more Trumps elected President he gies too far though!

[Valmy]

The idea of Chinese rising up to demand democracy once they have become middle class has not really been tested.  But so far that theory doesn't really hold up.  Tiananmen was crushed rather easily.

Yeah and I'm not sure any Western coalition would win in some generational ideological struggle against China. For one, the chamber of commerce Right in most Western countries would be adamantly against it. Imagine the Cold War against the Soviets with big business interests firmly on the Soviet side.

not only the businesses, but many of the people too. Both on the left and right authoritarian tendencies have gained massive strenght. Cancelling is in, civil discussion is out.

I will never cancel you CI.

[jimmy olsen]

The idea of Chinese rising up to demand democracy once they have become middle class has not really been tested.  But so far that theory doesn't really hold up.  Tiananmen was crushed rather easily.

Yeah and I'm not sure any Western coalition would win in some generational ideological struggle against China. For one, the chamber of commerce Right in most Western countries would be adamantly against it. Imagine the Cold War against the Soviets with big business interests firmly on the Soviet side.

not only the businesses, but many of the people too. Both on the left and right authoritarian tendencies have gained massive strenght. Cancelling is in, civil discussion is out.

"Cancel culture" is just a ridiculous smear of the long accepted art of the boycott. MLK and the civil rights leaders of the 60s were all about canceling politicians, businesses and organizations that were on the other side and they were right to do so.

[Valmy]

"Cancel culture" is just a ridiculous smear of the long accepted art of the boycott. MLK and the civil rights leaders of the 60s were all about canceling politicians, businesses and organizations that were on the other side and they were right to do so.

Hey I recognize plenty of "canceling" is done for admirable and principled purposes and against powerful targets that need pressuring, but it sure gets leveled at ordinary people for very petty reasons a lot. But hey small communities have been shunning people for petty reasons forever, no reason people on the internet would be different I guess. Canceling politicians, businesses, and organizations is one thing but taking one ordinary person's twitter post from ten years ago and using that to get them fired is something else.

[DGuller]

"Cancel culture" is just a ridiculous smear of the long accepted art of the boycott. MLK and the civil rights leaders of the 60s were all about canceling politicians, businesses and organizations that were on the other side and they were right to do so.

I think when people refer to cancel culture, they usually refer to individuals who are not public figures suffering the wrath of Twitter.  There is nothing admirable about it.  It's the worst kind of behavior humanity has to offer, and the fact that it's dressed up as a noble act in defense of justice just adds insult on top of injury.

[Eddie Teach]

Mobs are pretty much always bad.

[Josquius]

Cancelling worked well for South Africa.
Less well for 1930s Germany.
Depends who is doing the cancelling really.

[HVC]

"Cancel culture" is just a ridiculous smear of the long accepted art of the boycott. MLK and the civil rights leaders of the 60s were all about canceling politicians, businesses and organizations that were on the other side and they were right to do so.

I think when people refer to cancel culture, they usually refer to individuals who are not public figures suffering the wrath of Twitter.  There is nothing admirable about it.  It's the worst kind of behavior humanity has to offer, and the fact that it's dressed up as a noble act in defense of justice just adds insult on top of injury.

We've been ostracizing people for petty things since civilization began. it's a just a bit easier now

[Syt]

Not to mention we canceled plenty of people on this board in the day, most notably Martinus.

[DGuller]

We've been ostracizing people for petty things since civilization began. it's a just a bit easier now

Exactly, it makes it much easier to do nasty things to people when you don't have to look them in the face, or if you don't even know them well enough to think of them as a human being.

[DGuller]

Not to mention we canceled plenty of people on this board in the day, most notably Martinus.

We excluded him from our club.  We did not try to get him fired, or in general destroy every part of his life.  I wonder if people are trying to minimize what "canceling" means to avoid thinking about what it really means for people on the receiving end of their righteous indignation.

[HVC]

Not to mention we canceled plenty of people on this board in the day, most notably Martinus.

He canceled himself. had plenty of chances.

[Valmy]

We didn't harass him or get him fired though.

It's too bad he isn't here, I wanted to give him shit for Milo becoming ex-gay.

[Jacob]

Was Milo Yianopolous a victim of cancel culture?