COVID vaccinations! Have you gotten yours?

[Berkut]

For the record, I think Newsradio was fucking brilliant. But he was far from the best thing about it.

[Grey Fox]

I like MMA Joe Rogan but his comedian podcast shtick increases/accelerates the lost of trust in experts and institutions. He's really bad news.

[mongers]

Best protection, at least from what I heard on a podcast is, in order:

1. mRNA vaccine + survived COVID
2. mrNA vaccine alone
3. Survive COVID, no vaccine
4. non-mRNA vaccine + COVID
5. non-mRNA vaccine


edit: Disclaimer! This is just what I heard on a podcast. Im not a doctor. If this turns out to be wrong someday, then so be it.

Or alternatively 'we' could have a better, more equitable world wide distribution of vaccines that would cut down on new variants and protect 'us' all better in the long run?

[garbon]

Best protection, at least from what I heard on a podcast is, in order:

1. mRNA vaccine + survived COVID
2. mrNA vaccine alone
3. Survive COVID, no vaccine
4. non-mRNA vaccine + COVID
5. non-mRNA vaccine


edit: Disclaimer! This is just what I heard on a podcast. Im not a doctor. If this turns out to be wrong someday, then so be it.

Or alternatively 'we' could have a better, more equitable world wide distribution of vaccines that would cut down on new variants and protect 'us' all better in the long run?

Irrelevant aside although more on topic than you usually are. What did you do with Mongers?!

[Berkut]

Best protection, at least from what I heard on a podcast is, in order:

1. mRNA vaccine + survived COVID
2. mrNA vaccine alone
3. Survive COVID, no vaccine
4. non-mRNA vaccine + COVID
5. non-mRNA vaccine


edit: Disclaimer! This is just what I heard on a podcast. Im not a doctor. If this turns out to be wrong someday, then so be it.

Or alternatively 'we' could have a better, more equitable world wide distribution of vaccines that would cut down on new variants and protect 'us' all better in the long run?

That is an alternative?

[Berkut]

Fuck no.

How did they explain that getting COVID is more protection than getting COVID and being vaccinated with a non mRNA vaccine.  That seems a bit suspect.

edit: a story came out yesterday questioning the effectiveness of one of the mRNA vaccines, so that show is seems out of date already - even if it was valid at one time.

Doh, that is right - obviously having any vaccine plus getting COVID has to be, at worst, at least as good as just having COVID, and almost certainly better. I mixed the order up there.

What story are you talking about? The mRNA spike vaccines are still, so far as I am aware, the "gold standard" for COVID vaccines....

[crazy canuck]

Fuck no.

How did they explain that getting COVID is more protection than getting COVID and being vaccinated with a non mRNA vaccine.  That seems a bit suspect.

edit: a story came out yesterday questioning the effectiveness of one of the mRNA vaccines, so that show is seems out of date already - even if it was valid at one time.

Doh, that is right - obviously having any vaccine plus getting COVID has to be, at worst, at least as good as just having COVID, and almost certainly better. I mixed the order up there.

What story are you talking about? The mRNA spike vaccines are still, so far as I am aware, the "gold standard" for COVID vaccines....

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/12/15/1064202754/omicron-evades-moderna-vaccine-too-study-suggests-but-boosters-help

mNRA is certainly the gold standard for what came before, but this new variant is causing all kinds of trouble.

[garbon]

So still the gold standard but you need a booster.

[crazy canuck]

So still the gold standard but you need a booster.

True for all vaccines.

[Grey Fox]

I doubt I'll get a 3rd dose personally. By the time my age groups gets called up here it'll be too late for this current wave.

I've been wrong before on Quebec's ability to ramp up vaccination tho.

Current wave is going to last a few months, if the past is any guide.

Alberta stealth changed eligibility to 50+.  And while you're younger than I, I don't think you're that much younger - out turn will come shortly.

Quebec just stealth changed to 60+. 

[Tamas]

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/12/15/1064202754/omicron-evades-moderna-vaccine-too-study-suggests-but-boosters-help

mNRA is certainly the gold standard for what came before, but this new variant is causing all kinds of trouble.

I do not understand that link.

If they tell me people need boosters to ensure they have antibodies actively in their blood (as opposed to the "dormant" protection that needs mobilising after an infection starts) and thus have a far higher chance of avoiding serious complications, I get that.

But what is this nonsense about the "2-vaccine antibodies" being 50 times less effective, but the "booster antibodies" being as effective as against 2-vaccine ones against Delta? Was this an attempt by that article to translate what I wrote? Because it was stupid if that's what they were trying to do.

[crazy canuck]

I am pretty sure the researchers are not on Languish.

[Tamas]

I am pretty sure the researchers are not on Languish.

Somebody here might understand what I couldn't, though.

[crazy canuck]

I am pretty sure the researchers are not on Languish.

Somebody here might understand what I couldn't, though.

I don't know what you were trying to say - I am not sure what post you are referring to.  But the article is simply saying the mNRA vaccines are not as effective against the new variant but a booster helps.  So there does not seem to be that much difference across vaccines with this new variant.  Everyone needs boosters no matter what.

Personally I will be happy to get an mNRA vaccine this time around - it was not available for my age group at the time I got my first two shots.

[Valmy]

I love Rogan but he has a California hippy sensibility so he is always going to be doing some kind of weird fad thing for his health.

What do you love about the guy?

He is authentic. He is just who he is. I think that is cool, though now he exists in this weird world of being used by everybody because he is popular.

That is my problem.

He has this HUGE following, and so he has (IMO) a responsibility to stop playing the "Ahh shucks, I'm just a guy chatting with some dudes!" schtick when it comes to giving a platform to people who don't deserve one.

Plus his following is just a bit too man-cave cultish for my taste.

He isn't much of an actual authority on much of anything outside the MMA. He isn't particular bright, IMO, and doesn't think very critically. And he plays that game where he admits to exactly that, and yet leans into giving his opinion about bullshit anyway. And again, with the certain knowledge that his charisma has in fact created this massive following who WILL act as if he is an authority even while he tells them he is not.

As I said I get it. Everything you just said is absolutely true.

I have just been a big fan of his and his comedy and all that for a long time and early on when his show often had Newsradio actors on it I really enjoyed listening to them talk about their experiences.

But outside of sports, comedy, and acting he really doesn't have much expert insight to offer. And boy does he love talking about drug use and woowoo health shit