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Started by Oexmelin, September 18, 2020, 06:36:10 PM

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garbon

Quote from: DGuller on September 20, 2020, 01:11:54 AM
Quote from: Eddie Teach on September 20, 2020, 01:07:24 AM
I'd rather live in the world where political infighting in a democracy isn't likened to nuclear war.
I'd rather live in the world where I have 100 billion dollars, all the important politicians in my pocket, and where everyone is interested in discussing statistics.  This "rather live in" game can get quickly out of hand if you don't limit it to realistic worlds.

Interesting that your preferred world has you as a corrupt individual.
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

DGuller

Quote from: garbon on September 20, 2020, 01:58:17 AM
Quote from: DGuller on September 20, 2020, 01:11:54 AM
Quote from: Eddie Teach on September 20, 2020, 01:07:24 AM
I'd rather live in the world where political infighting in a democracy isn't likened to nuclear war.
I'd rather live in the world where I have 100 billion dollars, all the important politicians in my pocket, and where everyone is interested in discussing statistics.  This "rather live in" game can get quickly out of hand if you don't limit it to realistic worlds.

Interesting that your preferred world has you as a corrupt individual.
:rolleyes: Yes, I value free speech, you got me there.

garbon

All the important politicians in my pocket?
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

DGuller

Quote from: garbon on September 20, 2020, 02:07:33 AM
All the important politicians in my pocket?
Free speech is not just for non-billionaires.

Hamilcar

Maybe we should send some nation building experts from Europe to help you guys become a civilized and functioning democracy.

Razgovory

I understand where DG is coming from (on packing the court), but such action makes me uncomfortable.  Democrats have a choice between continuing the escalate or being left behind and ruled by people who hate them.  Politics is going to have to break before it gets better, but I don't know how or when politics will completely break.  We already have people killing each other in the streets.

Hell, we are in this situation were the courts are so important because the legislature has broken and things are decided by the Presidency or the Courts.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

grumbler

Quote from: Hamilcar on September 20, 2020, 04:38:37 AM
Maybe we should send some nation building experts from Europe to help you guys become a civilized and functioning democracy.

I think that you guys need to send those experts to Europe, first.  It will be cheaper and the need is just as great.
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

Bayraktar!

Hamilcar

Quote from: grumbler on September 20, 2020, 10:33:13 AM
Quote from: Hamilcar on September 20, 2020, 04:38:37 AM
Maybe we should send some nation building experts from Europe to help you guys become a civilized and functioning democracy.

I think that you guys need to send those experts to Europe, first.  It will be cheaper and the need is just as great.

I'll be sitting here enjoying my stable democracy while I watch your country go up in flames.

Hamilcar

Some old judge lady dies and people are ready to burn half the country. But sure, tell me more about how America is a shining city on a hill.

grumbler

Quote from: Hamilcar on September 20, 2020, 11:01:41 AM
Quote from: grumbler on September 20, 2020, 10:33:13 AM
Quote from: Hamilcar on September 20, 2020, 04:38:37 AM
Maybe we should send some nation building experts from Europe to help you guys become a civilized and functioning democracy.

I think that you guys need to send those experts to Europe, first.  It will be cheaper and the need is just as great.

I'll be sitting here enjoying my stable democracy while I watch your country go up in flames.

Well, good for you!  I will be sitting here in my calm state while I watch emo Euros like you fantasize about the destruction of my country while ignoring Europe's problems.  We both win.
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

Bayraktar!

grumbler

Quote from: Hamilcar on September 20, 2020, 11:04:21 AM
Some old judge lady dies and people are ready to burn half the country. But sure, tell me more about how America is a shining city on a hill.

Oooh!  The emo is strong in this one!
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

Bayraktar!

The Brain

A stable can't be a democracy. That way lies madness.
Women want me. Men want to be with me.

grumbler

Quote from: The Brain on September 20, 2020, 11:12:01 AM
A stable can't be a democracy. That way lies madness.

It's a mare dictatorship.
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

Bayraktar!

Eddie Teach

Quote from: Hamilcar on September 20, 2020, 11:04:21 AM
Some old judge lady dies and people are ready to burn half the country. But sure, tell me more about how America is a shining city on a hill.

Pfft, people will burn half the country just to show off their ultrasound.
To sleep, perchance to dream. But in that sleep of death, what dreams may come?

Oexmelin

Quote from: Razgovory on September 20, 2020, 10:30:19 AMHell, we are in this situation were the courts are so important because the legislature has broken and things are decided by the Presidency or the Courts.

Yes, and the current Republican leadership has made it clear that its purpose is to prop up a powerful executive, and ram through partisan nominations, at. any. cost.

That leadership needs to be destroyed; in the meantime, they cannot be relied to act honorably according to unwritten traditions.

But even if they were to be convincingly destroyed, by alinging themselves with the apocalyptic propaganda machine of Fox News, their base has become convinced that ruthlessness and strong-arm tactices is the only way to go to save America. They would be replaced by the same, copies of Matt Gaetz (the stupid variety) or Jeff Hawley (the smart variety). 
Que le grand cric me croque !