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Started by Oexmelin, September 18, 2020, 06:36:10 PM

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HisMajestyBOB

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Razgovory

Are Democrats really talking about packing the court?
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

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Oexmelin

Yes. At least at the grassroot level.
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OttoVonBismarck

My honest hope is if Biden wins and the Dems win the Senate they instead choose to negotiate some kind of detente on judges, but I'm not sure it's possible in our country any longer. Simple court packing is a brute force tool that will just end up with us having a Venezuela style Supreme Court that is linked to whomever controls the political branches and has dozens of members.

grumbler

Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on September 19, 2020, 06:21:55 PM
My honest hope is if Biden wins and the Dems win the Senate they instead choose to negotiate some kind of detente on judges, but I'm not sure it's possible in our country any longer. Simple court packing is a brute force tool that will just end up with us having a Venezuela style Supreme Court that is linked to whomever controls the political branches and has dozens of members.

So, no change except the numbers of members?

The problem with a détente on USSC nominations is that they know full well that the Republicans will throw out détente the instant they get a senate majority, just as they did last time.
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

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DGuller

Quote from: Razgovory on September 19, 2020, 05:45:14 PM
Are Democrats really talking about packing the court?
I don't know about talking, but if they're not planning to pack the court, they have no business being in politics.  Not packing the court in 2021 would be like issuing another diplomatic protest in September 1939.

Razgovory

Packing the Court seems like a nuclear option.  I suppose it could be used as a deterrent, like real nukes, but also like real nukes I don't think I would like to live in a world they have been used.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Eddie Teach

There is nothing to be gained by making this suggestion before the election.
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grumbler

Eliminating the filibuster was and is the nuclear option.  That's the last thing distinguishing the Senate from the House other than length of terms.

The Republicans exercised the nuclear option on the judicial filibuster; the Democrats will nuke the legislative filibuster.
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

Bayraktar!

DGuller

Quote from: Razgovory on September 19, 2020, 08:02:37 PM
Packing the Court seems like a nuclear option.  I suppose it could be used as a deterrent, like real nukes, but also like real nukes I don't think I would like to live in a world they have been used.
Sometimes it's not up to you what world you'll live in.  If the other side has already launched nukes at you and scored some hits, I'd rather live in the world where my side responds with its own nukes, while we still have some that survived the first strike.

Eddie Teach

I'd rather live in the world where political infighting in a democracy isn't likened to nuclear war.
To sleep, perchance to dream. But in that sleep of death, what dreams may come?

DGuller

Quote from: Eddie Teach on September 20, 2020, 01:07:24 AM
I'd rather live in the world where political infighting in a democracy isn't likened to nuclear war.
I'd rather live in the world where I have 100 billion dollars, all the important politicians in my pocket, and where everyone is interested in discussing statistics.  This "rather live in" game can get quickly out of hand if you don't limit it to realistic worlds.

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Eddie Teach

Sure you wouldn't rather have uranium?
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DGuller

Quote from: Eddie Teach on September 20, 2020, 01:38:35 AM
Sure you wouldn't rather have uranium?
Vasectomy would be cheaper and will have fewer side effects.