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[Tamas]

If we ignore the 0.00000001% of the population who cannot be clearly defined in such a way, all the sport-related issues would go away if they were categorised by birth sex instead of gender.

A bit mad to have testosterone filled hairy muscular trans guys wrestling girls.
There is no easy answer in this.

No but see there is. Is your birth sex male? You compete with males. Is your birth sex female? You compete with females. Your current gender should have no say in it.

And if that's unfair then I am sorry but sports are already about harsh selection based on genetics.

[Josquius]

If we ignore the 0.00000001% of the population who cannot be clearly defined in such a way, all the sport-related issues would go away if they were categorised by birth sex instead of gender.

A bit mad to have testosterone filled hairy muscular trans guys wrestling girls.
There is no easy answer in this.

No but see there is. Is your birth sex male? You compete with males. Is your birth sex female? You compete with females. Your current gender should have no say in it.

And if that's unfair then I am sorry but sports are already about harsh selection based on genetics.

And you don't see how mad this will be in the changing room for amateur competitions？
So you'll have a trans guy with the guys most of the time but when tournament time comes around he has to go up against women?
And what of the significant advantage its giving trans men?

Not to mention the question of just how do you define male and female?
The science that held this was a strict binary is rather outdated.

[Eddie Teach]

The right answer is to let cis-women have their own bubble. There can be exceptions made for trans-women who are judged not to have advantage, but it shouldn't be blanket inclusion.

[The Brain]

The simple solution for sports is to just accept trans women as women. In some rare cases you may need to add some new safety rules, but many contact sports already have weight classes so they're set. The solution has the added advantage that it doesn't leave you wide open to accusations of transphobia.

[Eddie Teach]

That solution works better for woke males than female athletes.

[The Brain]

That solution works better for woke males than female athletes.

Only if you're stuck in the mindset that trans women aren't actually women.

[chipwich]

you may need to add some new safety rules,

Like what?

[The Brain]

you may need to add some new safety rules,

Like what?

Depends on the sport. The details are best left to experts in the relevant sports.

[DGuller]

The whole point of women's sports is that it's own "weight category".  That by definition requires defining who to include and who to exclude, because it's understood that in most sports the best women have no chance against the best men.

[Tamas]

If we ignore the 0.00000001% of the population who cannot be clearly defined in such a way, all the sport-related issues would go away if they were categorised by birth sex instead of gender.

A bit mad to have testosterone filled hairy muscular trans guys wrestling girls.
There is no easy answer in this.

No but see there is. Is your birth sex male? You compete with males. Is your birth sex female? You compete with females. Your current gender should have no say in it.

And if that's unfair then I am sorry but sports are already about harsh selection based on genetics.

And you don't see how mad this will be in the changing room for amateur competitions？
So you'll have a trans guy with the guys most of the time but when tournament time comes around he has to go up against women?
And what of the significant advantage its giving trans men?

Not to mention the question of just how do you define male and female?
The science that held this was a strict binary is rather outdated.

You seem to be misunderstanding me. Why would it give advantage to trans anyone? How to explain better? If you were born with XY sex chromosome pairs you compete with males. If you were born with XX you compete with females.

Sports are already heavily discriminating on genetic grounds. If your inherent abilities are not judged good enough you can never progress past recreational playing of a sport. And if you do, things like being injury prone (also genetics) can limit how far you can go.

[Josquius]

You seem to be misunderstanding me. Why would it give advantage to trans anyone? How to explain better? If you were born with XY sex chromosome pairs you compete with males. If you were born with XX you compete with females.

Sports are already heavily discriminating on genetic grounds. If your inherent abilities are not judged good enough you can never progress past recreational playing of a sport. And if you do, things like being injury prone (also genetics) can limit how far you can go.

Yes, but a trans-man will have an advantage over ciswomen. By banning him from playing with cisgender men you put this big hairy testosterone full guy, who happed to have been assigned female at birth, in the womens game.

Also have to point out that XY=Male and XX=Female is now understood to be generally true but an oversimplification.
Lest we forget the entire reason this trans people in sports thing is blowing up so much in recent times was Caster Semenya, undoubtedly female born and raised, yet XY.

[The Brain]

The whole point of women's sports is that it's own "weight category".  That by definition requires defining who to include and who to exclude, because it's understood that in most sports the best women have no chance against the best men.

I'm not suggesting that men should compete in women's sports.

[Eddie Teach]

That's exactly what you're doing.

[Josquius]

That's exactly what you're doing.

That one was settled years ago.
Trans women are women, trans men are men. This is not open to debate.

Whether due to their special circumstances they need to be treat differently when it comes to sports... That is an iffier proposition.

[Eddie Teach]

It's not settled, it's just rarely debated due to lack of interest.