US election 2020 poll

[grumbler]

Spicy might, indeed, be a feminist who just refers to birth control as "whore pills" because he doesn't mind sounding like a puritan, but I'm of the "walks like a duck and quacks like a duck" persuasion.

[merithyn]

Spicy might, indeed, be a feminist who just refers to birth control as "whore pills" because he doesn't mind sounding like a puritan, but I'm of the "walks like a duck and quacks like a duck" persuasion.

[Barrister]

Spicy might, indeed, be a feminist who just refers to birth control as "whore pills" because he doesn't mind sounding like a puritan, but I'm of the "walks like a duck and quacks like a duck" persuasion.

I didn't say Spicey was a feminist - I just suspect that while he's probably sincere that he's pro-life, it's not an important issue to him (other than for trolling Meri).

[The Larch]

One would think that the best argument to convince a Trump voter to not vote for him and vote Biden instead would be the economic self-harm argument, that Trump just favours the top earners and any benefit to middle class voters is just residuals, while Biden would benefit them more, particulary if some kind of healthcare reform is implemented.

Sadly, for many people voting is an emotional decision, rather than intelectual one, and the US being a two party system the mentality has become too adversarial, and they'd vote for a pile of crap as long as it has the appropriate letter ahead of their name on the ballot.

[fromtia]

attempts to engage Republicans and encourage them to try to think about governance and policy differently must take into account that there exists a booming Republican angertainment media industry that is profoundly influential and impressively unified in messaging. Why should you expect someone to listen to you? Tucker says different.

Obviously everyone shapes their views according to the media they consume, to a greater or lesser extent, but the Republican media is counter factual and based deeply on mythology and emotion.

[Admiral Yi]

No, it's not a lecture. It's also not a face-to-face conversation. But your MO is that you leave other people to make long, developed post, and then you snipe a laconic sentence here and there. This creates an imbalance in the conversation and you place your interlocutor in the position of justifying themselves all the time, while you limit yourself to commenting on their points.

If that's the MO then we're playing out of character.  I've offered up points about establishing credibility (rapport) and addressing core values.  You have not found neither of those a reasonable starting point for collegial discussion. Those you have deemed insufficient, because you want a telemarketing script that you can that you can use to "disprove" my claim that persuasion is better than shaming.  This is not a conversation, it's a cross examination.  It's a Razgavory style conversation.  I never claimed to have the magic bullet that would cure Speesh of his wrong thinking and yet you insist on my producing the magic bullet and claiming I'm ducking the issue when I remind you I don't have one.

[Maximus]

I didn't say Spicey was a feminist - I just suspect that while he's probably sincere that he's pro-life, it's not an important issue to him (other than for trolling Meri).

I'm with you here. Derspeiss is 95% motivated by what pisses the right people off. He reliably opposes abortion because that reliably pisses of the right people. I doubt he cares about it beyond that.

[Malthus]

The problem with the US Right right now is just that - for many, it is impossible to tell the difference between trolling and what they actually believe. Pissing of the liberals has become what stands for policy.

[Razgovory]

No, it's not a lecture. It's also not a face-to-face conversation. But your MO is that you leave other people to make long, developed post, and then you snipe a laconic sentence here and there. This creates an imbalance in the conversation and you place your interlocutor in the position of justifying themselves all the time, while you limit yourself to commenting on their points.

If that's the MO then we're playing out of character.  I've offered up points about establishing credibility (rapport) and addressing core values.  You have not found neither of those a reasonable starting point for collegial discussion. Those you have deemed insufficient, because you want a telemarketing script that you can that you can use to "disprove" my claim that persuasion is better than shaming.  This is not a conversation, it's a cross examination.  It's a Razgavory style conversation.  I never claimed to have the magic bullet that would cure Speesh of his wrong thinking and yet you insist on my producing the magic bullet and claiming I'm ducking the issue when I remind you I don't have one.

I'm tough, but fair.

[Monoriu]

I have never felt the need to convince other people how to vote. 

[Valmy]

I have never felt the need to convince other people how to vote. 

Well to be fair you have never felt the need to vote.

[Habbaku]

And to be less fair, he'd try to take our votes away if he could.

[Monoriu]

And to be less fair, he'd try to take our votes away if he could.

Obviously you have not been paying attention.  I support the status quo

[PDH]

And to be less fair, he'd try to take our votes away if he could.

Obviously you have not been paying attention.  I support the status quo

However much that might change.

[garbon]

Why do we give a fuck about Mono's views on voting? Irrelevant, next topic.