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Bernie v Joe, Who do you like?

Started by Admiral Yi, March 02, 2020, 03:59:29 PM

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Bernard Sanders
24 (40.7%)
Joseph Biden
29 (49.2%)
This question scares me
6 (10.2%)

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Josquius

Hmm, so Warren could be the explanation for the general trend being altered in Garbons data?
Hard to know without seeing hers too.

Quote from: garbon on March 04, 2020, 10:12:49 AMquote]

This exercise isn't even worth my time. Goodbye.

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I have no idea what's going on here.
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Barrister

Quote from: Valmy on March 04, 2020, 01:18:37 PM
Lots of women support Bernie, I really hate the smear Bernie Bros.

Clearly not every Bernie supporter is a "bernie Bro", but that doesn't mean that there is no such thing as a "Bernie Bro".  I started using Twitter a few months ago, follow lots of people relating to the US election, and there are definitely some very aggressive/obnoxious pro-Sanders twitterers out there.
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Barrister

Quote from: Valmy on March 04, 2020, 01:40:40 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 04, 2020, 01:38:54 PM
Man, what a difference a week can make.  Bernie was a mortal lock and Joe was dead in the water.

I am still nervous about Biden and his Bidenness in a long Presidential campaign. Everybody who has watched the debates know what I mean.

But it seems he is the guy the party decided to rally around. We could have certainly done worse.

But remember - he's going up against Trump.

Man - those debates are going to be an absolute train-wreck. :lol:
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Valmy

Quote from: Barrister on March 04, 2020, 01:45:44 PM
Quote from: Valmy on March 04, 2020, 01:18:37 PM
Lots of women support Bernie, I really hate the smear Bernie Bros.

Clearly not every Bernie supporter is a "bernie Bro", but that doesn't mean that there is no such thing as a "Bernie Bro".  I started using Twitter a few months ago, follow lots of people relating to the US election, and there are definitely some very aggressive/obnoxious pro-Sanders twitterers out there.

I don't deny that. But twitter makes even decent people toxic monsters. That was my main take away from my time on twitter (2010-2014).
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celedhring

Regarding "women skew socialist" debate I just checked the Spanish data and over here they skew centrist. Far-left and far-right parties have significantly more men voting for them than women.

Solmyr

Quote from: Barrister on March 04, 2020, 01:46:47 PM
Quote from: Valmy on March 04, 2020, 01:40:40 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 04, 2020, 01:38:54 PM
Man, what a difference a week can make.  Bernie was a mortal lock and Joe was dead in the water.

I am still nervous about Biden and his Bidenness in a long Presidential campaign. Everybody who has watched the debates know what I mean.

But it seems he is the guy the party decided to rally around. We could have certainly done worse.

But remember - he's going up against Trump.

Man - those debates are going to be an absolute train-wreck. :lol:

Trump is a showman though, and has the ability to turn even crazy stuff in his favour. Biden has no such skill from what I've seen.

alfred russel

Bernie's candidacy is on life support at the moment. He isn't going to win a truly contested convention, and he obviously is now behind in delegates.

What makes this far worse for Sanders is that the only reason he didn't lose worse on Super Tuesday was that there was a ton of early voting that diminished the huge swing going Biden's way with all his dropouts and endorsements. That isn't going to help in the coming primaries. He needs an event to swing things back his way...the only hope I can see is that Biden wilts under the new spotlight.
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Caliga

Quote from: Barrister on March 04, 2020, 01:46:47 PM
Man - those debates are going to be an absolute train-wreck. :lol:
I think there's a decent chance they would get violent.  Maybe Vince McMahon should moderate them. :hmm:
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Valmy

Quote from: alfred russel on March 04, 2020, 01:54:16 PM
the only hope I can see is that Biden wilts under the new spotlight.

Not impossible, though.
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Barrister

Quote from: Solmyr on March 04, 2020, 01:52:15 PM
Trump is a showman though, and has the ability to turn even crazy stuff in his favour. Biden has no such skill from what I've seen.

Biden's superpower though is this feeling of compassion and empathy - that he feels what you feel and that you can empathize with what he's gone through in his life.

Just because both of them are capable of spewing out meaningless word salads doesn't necessarily diminish their abilities as politicians.
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dps

Quote from: Tyr on March 04, 2020, 01:44:19 PM
Hmm, so Warren could be the explanation for the general trend being altered in Garbons data?
Hard to know without seeing hers too.

Quote from: garbon on March 04, 2020, 10:12:49 AMquote]

This exercise isn't even worth my time. Goodbye.

:blink:
I have no idea what's going on here.

Clearly not.

You said that the data Garbon had posted lined up with what you had stated, when in fact it showed the exact opposite of what you had stated.  At that point, Garbon gave up on engaging with you on the topic.

Josquius

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Quote from: dps on March 04, 2020, 01:58:40 PM
Quote from: Tyr on March 04, 2020, 01:44:19 PM
Hmm, so Warren could be the explanation for the general trend being altered in Garbons data?
Hard to know without seeing hers too.

Quote from: garbon on March 04, 2020, 10:12:49 AMquote]

This exercise isn't even worth my time. Goodbye.

:blink:
I have no idea what's going on here.

Clearly not.

You said that the data Garbon had posted lined up with what you had stated, when in fact it showed the exact opposite of what you had stated.  At that point, Garbon gave up on engaging with you on the topic.
He was talking about the data I posted.
Which showed across all age ranges women were more left voting than men
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Eddie Teach

Quote from: Caliga on March 04, 2020, 01:54:17 PM
Quote from: Barrister on March 04, 2020, 01:46:47 PM
Man - those debates are going to be an absolute train-wreck. :lol:
I think there's a decent chance they would get violent.  Maybe Vince McMahon should moderate them. :hmm:

I think there's a decent chance Trump chickens out, claiming the networks are too biased.
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Oexmelin

Quote from: Barrister on March 04, 2020, 01:57:54 PM
Biden's superpower though is this feeling of compassion and empathy - that he feels what you feel and that you can empathize with what he's gone through in his life.

I don't know that we are in a caring moment right now, and I don't know that Biden has what it takes to meaningfully shrug off Trump, or even cast his super-awesome compassion into the kinds of things that the world needs now. Which is, as we all know, is love, sweet love.
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merithyn

Quote from: dps on March 04, 2020, 09:50:24 AM
Quote from: grumbler on March 04, 2020, 06:24:57 AM
Quote from: garbon on March 04, 2020, 05:54:16 AM
BIDEN
STATE MALE FEMALE DIFF.
Iowa 16% 16% 0
New Hampshire 8% 8% 0
Nevada 18% 17% 1
South Carolina 48% 49% -1


SANDERS
STATE MALE FEMALE DIFF.
Iowa 26% 20% 6
New Hampshire 31% 23% 8
Nevada 38% 30% 8
South Carolina 24% 17% 7


Bernie's exit polls from the earlier states seem to suggest a different dynamic (at least among voters)

Pulled from here: https://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/super-tuesday/#265509

Stop using facts to undermine perfectly good anecdotal evidence.

Now, now, it depends on whether he was replying to Meri or to Tyr.  If it was Meri, yes, then he was using facts to undermine anecdotal evidence.  If it was Tyr, then he was using facts to undermine inane delusions.  Quite a different thing.

:huh:

I pointed out that a silly poll on FB showed that women tended to prefer Warren or Biden over Bernie. This bears that out.

By the way, I was joking in my nodding head to Tyr. I thought that was obvious, but I guess not.
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