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Bernie v Joe, Who do you like?

Started by Admiral Yi, March 02, 2020, 03:59:29 PM

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Bernard Sanders
24 (40.7%)
Joseph Biden
29 (49.2%)
This question scares me
6 (10.2%)

Total Members Voted: 59

Josquius

Quote from: garbon on March 04, 2020, 03:57:04 AM
Quote from: Tyr on March 04, 2020, 03:19:17 AM
It's a well observed tendency for women to tend to be more in favour of socialist candidates whilst men are more prone to falling for fascism.
If men didn't have the vote then the whole brexit mess could have been avoided in the UK.
Not a massive surprise Sanders would poll better with women.

It is a little early to be hitting the sauce.

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/12/17/how-britain-voted-2019-general-election
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DGuller

Quote from: grumbler on March 04, 2020, 06:24:57 AM
Stop using facts to undermine perfectly good anecdotal evidence.
I've seen cases where anecdotal evidence explains the outcomes better than facts.

Tamas

Quote from: DGuller on March 04, 2020, 07:17:35 AM
Quote from: grumbler on March 04, 2020, 06:24:57 AM
Stop using facts to undermine perfectly good anecdotal evidence.
I've seen cases where anecdotal evidence explains the outcomes better than facts.

Well my anecdotal evidence goes straight against this one.

Not to mention how archaic and misogynistic the whole "ladies are nice and caring and fluffy, and men are forceful and uncaring" stance is. Besides being pretty wrong.

The Brain

Women want me. Men want to be with me.

Josquius

Quote from: Tamas on March 04, 2020, 07:43:16 AM
Quote from: DGuller on March 04, 2020, 07:17:35 AM
Quote from: grumbler on March 04, 2020, 06:24:57 AM
Stop using facts to undermine perfectly good anecdotal evidence.
I've seen cases where anecdotal evidence explains the outcomes better than facts.

Well my anecdotal evidence goes straight against this one.

Not to mention how archaic and misogynistic the whole "ladies are nice and caring and fluffy, and men are forceful and uncaring" stance is. Besides being pretty wrong.
I'd say its less down to caring and more down to thinking in more than one dimension.
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Tamas

Quote from: Tyr on March 04, 2020, 07:53:14 AM
Quote from: Tamas on March 04, 2020, 07:43:16 AM
Quote from: DGuller on March 04, 2020, 07:17:35 AM
Quote from: grumbler on March 04, 2020, 06:24:57 AM
Stop using facts to undermine perfectly good anecdotal evidence.
I've seen cases where anecdotal evidence explains the outcomes better than facts.

Well my anecdotal evidence goes straight against this one.

Not to mention how archaic and misogynistic the whole "ladies are nice and caring and fluffy, and men are forceful and uncaring" stance is. Besides being pretty wrong.
I'd say its less down to caring and more down to thinking in more than one dimension.

MUCH better.

HisMajestyBOB

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garbon

Quote from: Tyr on March 04, 2020, 06:40:32 AM
Quote from: garbon on March 04, 2020, 03:57:04 AM
Quote from: Tyr on March 04, 2020, 03:19:17 AM
It's a well observed tendency for women to tend to be more in favour of socialist candidates whilst men are more prone to falling for fascism.
If men didn't have the vote then the whole brexit mess could have been avoided in the UK.
Not a massive surprise Sanders would poll better with women.

It is a little early to be hitting the sauce.

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/12/17/how-britain-voted-2019-general-election


Are you changing your contention to young women are more likely to support socialist candidates than young men?
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dps

Quote from: grumbler on March 04, 2020, 06:24:57 AM
Quote from: garbon on March 04, 2020, 05:54:16 AM
BIDEN
STATE MALE FEMALE DIFF.
Iowa 16% 16% 0
New Hampshire 8% 8% 0
Nevada 18% 17% 1
South Carolina 48% 49% -1


SANDERS
STATE MALE FEMALE DIFF.
Iowa 26% 20% 6
New Hampshire 31% 23% 8
Nevada 38% 30% 8
South Carolina 24% 17% 7


Bernie's exit polls from the earlier states seem to suggest a different dynamic (at least among voters)

Pulled from here: https://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/super-tuesday/#265509

Stop using facts to undermine perfectly good anecdotal evidence.

Now, now, it depends on whether he was replying to Meri or to Tyr.  If it was Meri, yes, then he was using facts to undermine anecdotal evidence.  If it was Tyr, then he was using facts to undermine inane delusions.  Quite a different thing.

Josquius


There's nothing inane about it. It's a pretty interesting divide.

Quote from: garbon on March 04, 2020, 08:15:04 AM
Quote from: Tyr on March 04, 2020, 06:40:32 AM
Quote from: garbon on March 04, 2020, 03:57:04 AM
Quote from: Tyr on March 04, 2020, 03:19:17 AM
It's a well observed tendency for women to tend to be more in favour of socialist candidates whilst men are more prone to falling for fascism.
If men didn't have the vote then the whole brexit mess could have been avoided in the UK.
Not a massive surprise Sanders would poll better with women.

It is a little early to be hitting the sauce.

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/12/17/how-britain-voted-2019-general-election


Are you changing your contention to young women are more likely to support socialist candidates than young men?

No?
The data there lines up with what was said. More women voting left than men.
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garbon

Quote from: Tyr on March 04, 2020, 10:12:12 AM

There's nothing inane about it. It's a pretty interesting divide.

Quote from: garbon on March 04, 2020, 08:15:04 AM
Quote from: Tyr on March 04, 2020, 06:40:32 AM
Quote from: garbon on March 04, 2020, 03:57:04 AM
Quote from: Tyr on March 04, 2020, 03:19:17 AM
It's a well observed tendency for women to tend to be more in favour of socialist candidates whilst men are more prone to falling for fascism.
If men didn't have the vote then the whole brexit mess could have been avoided in the UK.
Not a massive surprise Sanders would poll better with women.

It is a little early to be hitting the sauce.

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/12/17/how-britain-voted-2019-general-election


Are you changing your contention to young women are more likely to support socialist candidates than young men?

No?
The data there lines up with what was said. More women voting left than men.

This exercise isn't even worth my time. Goodbye.
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

The Minsky Moment

Quote from: DGuller on March 04, 2020, 07:17:35 AM
Quote from: grumbler on March 04, 2020, 06:24:57 AM
Stop using facts to undermine perfectly good anecdotal evidence.
I've seen cases where anecdotal evidence explains the outcomes better than facts.

I have too but only anecdotally.
The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists.
--Joan Robinson

Valmy

Quote from: merithyn on March 04, 2020, 01:24:12 AM
Quote from: Valmy on March 03, 2020, 09:24:21 PM
Quote from: merithyn on March 03, 2020, 09:17:52 PM
In a totally unscientific poll on Facebook, one of the political pages I'm on asked who people were planning to vote for. Most of the 750 people who commented said either Warren first and Biden second, or Biden first and Warren second. Very few say Bernie, and most of those were men.

Again, totally unscientific, but interesting.

Most of the Bernie supporters I know are women. So there you go.

Is that also interesting?

It is to me, so thanks for sharing.  :)



Sure :)

My wife, and her mother and her friends, are big Bernie supporters.
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It makes sense Bernie voters skew male with Warren still in the race, assuming she skews female.

The Brain

Women want me. Men want to be with me.