Bernie v Joe, Who do you like?

[garbon]

It doesn't need to be real.  Look at all of the garbage they threw at Hillary.  She ran a more energetic campaign in my opinion and still lost to Trump.  At least there were people excited to vote for Hillary.  I don't know a single person who is motivated to vote for Biden out of genuine enthusiasm for his message or what he represents other than "he's not Trump".  Democrats will basically murder their party's future if they hand it to him.  My generation and younger generations are beyond sick of the same establishment candidates force fed to us by a party that is increasingly not responding or even acknowledging our problems, concerns, hopes, and dreams.  It will solidify the Democrats as the "We're not Trump Party" with zero actual messaging or platform beyond that.  There is no "middle" voter anymore.  Everyone has a firm enough position on Trump at this point.  They also have a firm enough understanding of the alternatives.

Where will you and the youth go?

[Sophie Scholl]

Centerism is the position of privilege.  The position where your life is not truly affected by the vast majority of policies and so you have the luxury of sitting on the fence.  That island of privilege is shrinking rapidly though and the demise of the centrist platform politically is the result.

[grumbler]

Extremism is also the position of privilege.  The position where you aren't paying the price for anything, nothing actually works, but you get to virtue-signal and nail yourself to a cross and pretend that none of the dysfunctional solutions are your fault, that it's always the moderates and the extremists on the other side that are to blame.

I like Bernie, as a guy.  I think that he is sincere, even though ineffective.  I think he'd be no danger to the country if elected, because he doesn't have any power base and wouldn't let himself be used as a tool of the vested interests.

I loathe every one of his followers that I have met personally, though.  They are self-righteous to an obnoxious extent and think that they and their messiah are the only moral people in the country.  That's the definition of "the position of privilege."

[Eddie Teach]

It doesn't need to be real.  Look at all of the garbage they threw at Hillary.  She ran a more energetic campaign in my opinion and still lost to Trump.  At least there were people excited to vote for Hillary.  I don't know a single person who is motivated to vote for Biden out of genuine enthusiasm for his message or what he represents other than "he's not Trump".  Democrats will basically murder their party's future if they hand it to him.  My generation and younger generations are beyond sick of the same establishment candidates force fed to us by a party that is increasingly not responding or even acknowledging our problems, concerns, hopes, and dreams.  It will solidify the Democrats as the "We're not Trump Party" with zero actual messaging or platform beyond that.  There is no "middle" voter anymore.  Everyone has a firm enough position on Trump at this point.  They also have a firm enough understanding of the alternatives.

Where will you and the youth go?

Home.

[garbon]

It doesn't need to be real.  Look at all of the garbage they threw at Hillary.  She ran a more energetic campaign in my opinion and still lost to Trump.  At least there were people excited to vote for Hillary.  I don't know a single person who is motivated to vote for Biden out of genuine enthusiasm for his message or what he represents other than "he's not Trump".  Democrats will basically murder their party's future if they hand it to him.  My generation and younger generations are beyond sick of the same establishment candidates force fed to us by a party that is increasingly not responding or even acknowledging our problems, concerns, hopes, and dreams.  It will solidify the Democrats as the "We're not Trump Party" with zero actual messaging or platform beyond that.  There is no "middle" voter anymore.  Everyone has a firm enough position on Trump at this point.  They also have a firm enough understanding of the alternatives.

Where will you and the youth go?

Home.

Sure, I guess if they want more Trump.

[Monoriu]

Biden.  Say no to socialism. 

[dps]

Biden's best chance was in 2016. He declined to run. We saw what happened instead. The Republicans have been stockpiling ammo to use against him since 1987. Who is honestly excited or motivated to vote by him running? He is the definition of "Boring Establishment Candidate".

Fixed that for you.

Biden.  Say no to socialism. 

You pick NOW to state a political position?

[Razgovory]

I like them both. I think Bernie has a better chance against Trump.

I think there's a reason why Trump is pulling so hard for Bernie, and doing what he can to bring down Biden...

Or is he pretending to pull for Sanders knowing that it will hurt his chances at the nomination? This is one of those infinitely recursive questions. I don't think there's much to be gained from watching Trump. I personally think he's terrified of Sanders.

But the real reason to believe that Sanders is more likely to beat trump is that he will drive up turnout where it matters. Biden will drive it down.

Oh, and Trump trying to get Biden's son jailed is just him trying to get keep Sanders off the ballot.

You do have a point about turn out.  It's what Bernie Bros are threatening.  Nominate Sanders or we will stay home.

[Monoriu]

You pick NOW to state a political position?

I have been saying that for years.  But it is also my belief that nobody should vote or stand in elections. 

[11B4V]

Biden. Bernie is a DINO.

[Barrister]

Biden. Bernie is a DINO.

But he's not a Democrat in name only.  He's not a Democrat at all.

[11B4V]

Biden. Bernie is a DINO.

But he's not a Democrat in name only.  He's not a Democrat at all.

I will agree, but it annoys the Bernie Bubba's.

[Eddie Teach]

He's a social democrat, which is even better.

[11B4V]

He's a social democrat, which is even better.

His crew is in the same wheelhouse as the crazy right.

[Eddie Teach]

No u.