Coronavirus Sars-CoV-2/Covid-19 Megathread

[Eddie Teach]

Pish posh.

[Grey Fox]

Quebec is now curfew free.

Also Montreal's GA restaurant can open outdoor dining for the 1st time in 8 months. (Indoor is still not allowed.)

[Sheilbh]

J&J approved in UK - which is good already approved in the EU and US but should add a bit more capacity

[Admiral Yi]

Also Montreal's GA restaurant can open outdoor dining for the 1st time in 8 months. (Indoor is still not allowed.)

GA means Greater Area?

[Zanza]

J&J approved in UK - which is good already approved in the EU and US but should add a bit more capacity

The main value of J&J is the one dose capability. It is used here with groups where they expect higher than normal rates of no shows for the second vaccination, like homeless persons.

[Sheilbh]

J&J approved in UK - which is good already approved in the EU and US but should add a bit more capacity

The main value of J&J is the one dose capability. It is used here with groups where they expect higher than normal rates of no shows for the second vaccination, like homeless persons.

Yeah - I don't know who'll actually get it here because I think there's been similar blood clotting issues but that sounds very sensible. Possibly home visits too (though hopefully those people have all already been vaccinated).

[Grey Fox]

Also Montreal's GA restaurant can open outdoor dining for the 1st time in 8 months. (Indoor is still not allowed.)

GA means Greater Area?

Yes. You speak very good Grey Fox.

[Zanza]

EMA has approved BioNTech/Pfizer for 12-16 year old juveniles today.

[Admiral Yi]

Yes. You speak very good Grey Fox.

Thanks!

I wanted to clarify: "marde" is Quebecker for merde, right?

[Zoupa]

Yeah, it's just merde with an exaggerated accent.

[Jacob]

Looks like the Covid-19 was from a lab theory is no longer confined to the crackpot fringe

The (very strong) case for COVID-19 leaking from a Chinese lab
If it wasn't a lab leak, the fact that a novel coronavirus just happened to emerge in Wuhan would be one of history's greatest coincidences

After months of being dismissed as a fringe conspiracy theory, official support is starting to build for the notion that the COVID-19 pandemic is not a freak accident of nature, but was rather the result of an accidental escape from a Chinese virology lab.

Anthony Fauci, one of the U.S.'s most visible infectious disease specialists during the COVID-19 pandemic, said this week that he was "not convinced" that the pandemic had natural origins — contradicting statements from a year prior where he dismissed any question of a lab leak as a "circular argument."

At the time same time, U.S. president Joe Biden also confirmed that he has ordered an intelligence review into the theory that the pandemic was sparked by a "laboratory accident."

Global Times, one of the main English-language arms of Chinese state media, dismissed all of this week's developments as a "blatant lie" trafficked by U.S. elites who have "festered further in morality."

The SARS pandemic was sparked by the eating of wild meat in China's Guangdong province. HIV leaped from apes to humans in 1920s Congo. But COVID-19, a pandemic that has thus far killed at least 3.5 million and cost the equivalent of several world wars, could well be the result of a single breach in laboratory hygiene.

A bad filter change, a faulty door seal or a specimen in the garbage instead of the incinerator could be the inciting incident for the costliest disaster of the 21st century. If true, it would be the most consequential single mistake ever made.

The National Post has been reporting since May 2020 that there was credence to the lab leak theory. The official line out of Beijing at the time — that COVID-19 spontaneously erupted at a Wuhan food market — was shown to be highly unlikely. China is still holding fast to the idea that the disease is purely natural in origin — and have repeatedly obfuscated international attempts to consider differently.

While the world still has no smoking gun as to COVID-19's origins, what we do have is an ever-lengthening record of circumstantial evidence tying the Wuhan lab to COVID-19, as well as a growing roster of official voices expressing doubt in the official Chinese origin story.

Below, why the lab leak theory has always been among the most plausible theories for the origin of COVID-19.

If it wasn't a lab leak, COVID-19's Wuhan origins would be one of the greatest coincidences in history

The world's first cases of COVID-19 were confirmed in Wuhan, a city of 11 million located about a day's drive west of Shanghai. Wuhan is also home to China's first-ever BSL-4-certified laboratory; a rare classification given only to labs dealing with the world's most dangerous pathogens.

For instance, Canada's only BSL-4 lab — the National Microbiology Laboratory in Winnipeg — is where microbiologists deal directly with such viruses as Ebola, West Nile and the virus that caused the 1918 flu pandemic.

Opened in 2018, the BSL-4 campus of the Wuhan Institute of Virology is known to work with coronaviruses, and in particular bat coronaviruses, the likely origin of COVID-19. A January investigation by New York magazine is to date the most rigorous journalistic probe into the potential lab origins of COVID-19. Among other things, it noted that the Wuhan institute is home to the "most comprehensive inventory of sampled bat viruses in the world."

The lab also engaged in gain-of-function experiments, wherein researchers would attempt to supercharge coronaviruses in order to infect lab mice or human cell samples. The idea with gain-of-function is to find ways to combat the emergence of new viruses from nature, as occurred with SARS in 2003. But gain-of-function is also "exactly the kind of experiment from which a SARS2-like virus could have emerged," read a lengthy scientific breakdown of COVID-19's origins by the Indian news site The Wire.

In other words, if the Wuhan Institute of Virology turns out to have no connection to the birth of the COVID-19 pandemic, then a novel coronavirus with likely origins in bats will have coincidentally started infecting humans within walking distance of a lab that just happens to be the world centre of studying highly infectious bat coronaviruses.

Top Chinese viral laboratories, including the one in Wuhan, have a troubling track record of lax security

In 2018, long before any notion of COVID-19 existed, U.S. diplomats fresh from a visit to the Wuhan Institute of Virology drafted a cable to Washington warning that the facility's lax standards risked sparking a pandemic. "The new lab has a serious shortage of appropriately trained technicians and investigators needed to safely operate this high-containment laboratory," the cable said, according to the Washington Post.

This week also saw the release of a U.S. intelligence report claiming that, in the fall of 2019, three workers at the Wuhan institute were hospitalized "with symptoms consistent with both COVID-19 and common seasonal illness."

Wuhan isn't the only Chinese lab in recent years to have drawn international condemnation for potentially reckless microbiology work. In 2013, when it emerged that China's Harbin Veterinary Research Institute was trying to synthesize a new superflu, it attracted accusations of "appalling irresponsibility" from top European virologists.

The Wuhan lab also had ties to a serious security breach at Canada's own National Microbiology Laboratory. Although the incident has no known connection to COVID-19, in July 2019 researcher Xiangguo Qiu was escorted by RCMP from the Winnipeg facility allegedly due to questions surrounding an unauthorized shipment of Ebola and henipavirus samples to Wuhan in March 2019.

The WHO's official probe into the virus' origins were a farce

When Australia first called for an international probe into the true origins of COVID-19, Beijing lashed back with a threat of major sanctions on Australian grain imports.

A probe ultimately did come into being, but it ended up being a far cry from anything approaching Australia's initial vision. Organized by the World Health Organization, the probe comprised a team of 17 Chinese scientists and 10 non-Chinese investigators who spent two weeks conducting interviews under the constant supervision of the People's Republic of China. "The politics was always in the room with us on the other side of the table," said team member Peter Ben Embarek in February.

Researchers spent only a matter of hours at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, where they requested no documents and performed no forensic examination of lab protocols. Rather, they only conducted a handful of supervised meetings wherein laboratory staff assured them that the institute saw "no disruptions or incidents" at the time of COVID-19's emergence.

The WHO investigation hadn't even released its final report before more than a dozen international senior medical researchers signed an open letter calling for a more reliable investigation to definitively rule out the possibility of a "research-related accident."

Then, in late March, the probe's finding were directly questioned by WHO head Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus. Tedros has often been criticized for a soft touch on China in regards to COVID-19. Regardless, he wrote in a March 30 statement "although the team has concluded that a laboratory leak is the least likely hypothesis, this requires further investigation."

Lab leaks happen all the time

It's not just Chinese virology labs that screw up the handling of potentially planet-altering pathogens. All over the world, virology labs have similarly overseen security breaches with the potential to infect millions.

In 2014 it emerged that labs connected to the U.S. Centres for Disease Control were guilty of, among other things, accidentally exposing a bunch of researchers to anthrax and losing vials of smallpox, the now-extinct virus that ranks as the deadliest disease in human history.

Lab leaks have caused several verified disease outbreaks. In 1977, a strange flu began surging through the Soviet Union and China. Subsequent analysis of the virus concluded that it was exactly the same as a 1949 flu strain, raising suspicions that the outbreak had been caused by an escape from a laboratory freezer. History's last victim of smallpox, British woman Janet Parker, was killed by a 1978 lab screw-up at Birmingham University.

There have even been two lab leaks of SARS in the months after the disease's 2003 outbreak had been contained. One was a student who accidentally picked up the disease in August, 2003 at a lab at the National University of Singapore. The other was a SARS researcher who fell ill after handling biohazardous waste without gloves or a mask.

In March, Robert Redfield, former director of the Centres for Disease Control, became one of the most prominent early backers of the "lab leak" theory when he told CNN that "the most likely etiology of this pathology in Wuhan was from a laboratory."

A career virologist, Redfield added, "it's not unusual for respiratory pathogens that are being worked on in a laboratory to infect a laboratory worker."

https://nationalpost.com/news/the-very-strong-case-for-covid-19-leaking-from-a-chinese-lab

[Admiral Yi]

Well that makes things a little more interesting.

Right wing idiot memesters are right sometimes.

Defund the WHO.

China owes a buttload of reparations.

[Barrister]

Well that makes things a little more interesting.

Right wing idiot memesters are right sometimes.

Defund the WHO.

China owes a buttload of reparations.

Well not quite.

The right wing memesters were saying not only was it released from a lab, but that it was some kind of Chinese bioweapon.  There's zero evidence that Covid-19 was engineered or manufactured - but it is possible that there was an accidental release from the Wuhan lab.

[Admiral Yi]

That sounds a lot like sometimes to me.

[Valmy]

I always liked how Coronavirus was a both a bioweapon and a fraud in the rightwing biosphere.

Anyway if it was a lab leak I mean is that any better than China allowing these disease spawning wet markets? In both instances it was Chinese errors that cause the pandemic from starting...though maybe not spreading.