Coronavirus Sars-CoV-2/Covid-19 Megathread

[Tamas]

The circle is closing.

I remember back in late March before our office closed I had the same feeling. More and more people mentioned they knew someone, and we had a couple of people isolating either because their family members caught or were suspicious of it.

With Europe increasingly picking up speed, I think we can just about declare a second wave. So much for this thing not spreading during summer.

[alfred russel]

So much for this thing not spreading during summer.

An unattractive possibility is that the warmer weather is indeed reducing transmission, but that is more than offset with people no longer giving a fuck. Which would bode very poorly for the fall.

[merithyn]

So much for this thing not spreading during summer.

An unattractive possibility is that the warmer weather is indeed reducing transmission, but that is more than offset with people no longer giving a fuck. Which would bode very poorly for the fall.

That's pretty much what Fauci said.

[Sheilbh]

So much for this thing not spreading during summer.

An unattractive possibility is that the warmer weather is indeed reducing transmission, but that is more than offset with people no longer giving a fuck. Which would bode very poorly for the fall.

Yeah I mean even if people no longer give a fuck - that is safer in the summer when our natural inclination is to be outside and you're frankly a weirdo if you're sat in the pub not the beer garden even during non-pandemic times.

If people stop giving a fuck in the winter: we're cold, we'll be indoors which is far more dangerous.

I'm not quite as much as a pessmist as Tamas, because, like him, I have predicted about 17 of the last zero second waves and I am trying to learn

[Tamas]

 

[Legbiter]

2 new cases here. 30 people have been quarantined. One of them met foreign tourists so probably got it from them, the other is kinda out of the blue, no obvious foreign connection. Well, we got a nice month long vacation from the bug but we'll probably have popups like this for however long it takes to get a vaccine.

[celedhring]

We are back to 1000 new daily cases here, so we're definitely at the start of a second wave. It's still mainly consigned to Aragon and Catalonia, who accrue more than 50% of new infections, but smaller clusters are popping everywhere. The regional catalan government has toughened restrictions and shut down bars/discos after 00.00 in the worst affected areas (mainly Barcelona metro area and the border with Aragon), since night partying has been identified as one of the largest vectors of community transmission. I think they should have done it everywhere, since people are likely to just go to the many discos and pubs that can be found along the Catalan coast.

Anyway, *sigh*

[Syt]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/face-masks-rules-supermarkets-refuse-asda-tesco-sainsburys-iceland-aldi-coronavirus-a9635731.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1595584504

Coronavirus: Asda, Tesco and Sainsbury's among supermarkets refusing to enforce face-mask rules

Aldi among retailers telling shoppers they will need to obey rules to enter stores

Supermarket giants have said they will not enforce new laws that make it compulsory for customers to wear face masks from Friday.

Tesco, Sainsbury's and Asda are among the retailers who have said they will not challenge customers failing to wear a face covering and that it falls on police to penalise people.

After weeks of mixed messages, the government issued guidance on regulations that require people to wear masks in shops, takeaways, supermarkets, shopping centres and transport hubs on Thursday.

The laws give police new powers to issue a £100 fine to those who defy the rules.

However, John Apter, the national chair of the Police Federation of England and Wales, said forces do not have the capacity to ensure every person who enters a store is wearing a face covering, and urged shops to refuse entry to anyone not obeying the law.

He added: "It is our members who are expected to police what is a new way of living and I would urge retail outlets to play their part in making the rules crystal clear; if you are not wearing a face covering then you are not coming in.

"Officers will be there to help stores if needed — but only as a last resort, as we simply do not have the resources."

The government said the responsibility for wearing a mask "sits with individuals", but added that businesses should "take reasonable steps to encourage customers to follow the law".

Several retailers have said they encourage compliance with the rules but are reluctant to police them.

Tesco said "it will be for the police to enforce" the law and Sainsbury's said it "won't be challenging customers without a mask" but will ask everyone to play their part and wear one.

A Sainsbury's spokesperson added: "Posters will be displayed inside and outside our stores and there will be regular tannoy announcements asking customers to follow the new rules, but our colleagues will not be responsible for enforcing them."

Asda, meanwhile, said it strongly encourages customers to wear face coverings and will be clear on its messaging of the rules on displays, on its radio station and via tannoy announcements.

But a spokesperson for the retailer said it believes "it is ultimately the responsibility of the relevant authorities to police this".

Iceland also said it will not put its staff "at risk by asking them to police" the regulations, while Costa Coffee said it would not challenge customers not wearing a mask.

Several retailers, including Tesco, Asda and Aldi, will sell face coverings at the entrance to their stores, while others have been frank in their messaging on ensuring customers wear masks.

Waitrose said staff would be at the entrance to stores and John Lewis said it will "gently remind customers" of the rules, while Greggs said customers will be "required" to wear a face covering.

Trade organisations criticised the government for taking so long to publish clear guidance after it announced the measure more than a week ago.

Tom Ironside, the director of business and regulation at the British Retail Consortium, said retailers are doing all they can to support the rules but added that government guidance was "overdue".

Kate Nicholls, the chief executive of UKHospitality, said the government announcement "lacked clarity" and left takeaway shops with little time to "properly brief staff, prepare signage and take steps to encourage compliance".

The British Medical Association (BMA) echoed the criticism, saying the guidance was helpful, but the introduction of the face mask laws was "long overdue".

The doctors' trade union was also critical of the decision to make some venues, including restaurants, pubs, gyms, hairdressers, beauty salons, leisure centres, cinemas, concert halls and theatres, exempt from the rules.

Dr Chaand Nagpaul, the BMA's council chair, said the virus "does not discriminate between buildings" and that there must be "an absolute assurance" that other mitigating measures — such as screens and physical distancing — are in place at those sites.

The laws could be in place until at least January.

We're back to masks since yesterday. Only here police can fine both the person not wearing a mask, and the supermarket if they permit it.

[Duque de Bragança]

We are back to 1000 new daily cases here, so we're definitely at the start of a second wave. It's still mainly consigned to Aragon and Catalonia, who accrue more than 50% of new infections, but smaller clusters are popping everywhere. The regional catalan government has toughened restrictions and shut down bars/discos after 00.00 in the worst affected areas (mainly Barcelona metro area and the border with Aragon), since night partying has been identified as one of the largest vectors of community transmission. I think they should have done it everywhere, since people are likely to just go to the many discos and pubs that can be found along the Catalan coast.

Anyway, *sigh*

Some rumors about the closure of the Franco-Spanish border, at least the Catalan section have been floating around. So far, no confirmation.

[celedhring]

Your PM has so far advised the French "not to visit Catalonia", which is the closest separatists have ever been to international recognition since 2017. It might be part of the plan.

[Duque de Bragança]

Your PM has so far advised the French "not to visit Catalonia", which is the closest separatists have ever been to international recognition since 2017. It might be part of the plan.

António Bosta has said nothing of the sort. 

[celedhring]

You've become French in my mind already.

[Iormlund]

Aragón ye nazión!

[DGuller]

Judging by debates here on Languish, Quebec is well on its way to getting its independence as well.

[Duque de Bragança]

You've become French in my mind already.

Even so, that's still not my prime minister, but Macron's.  Given the latter's unpopularity, calling it "my prime Minister" is quite a stretch
Castex has a funny Southern French accent, thought not as thick as some people would like to believe.
OTOH, the previous PM was more popular lately than Macron.