Coronavirus Sars-CoV-2/Covid-19 Megathread

[celedhring]

Watch the full clip.

I have. The government has no business deciding what is fake news, much less using the police against them.

Again, you haven't watched the full clip. At the end he says "we try to disprove these fake news". There's no police action being taken, because fake news aren't illegal. And otherwise you can read the zillion clarifications issued by the police or the government itself after the controversy.

There's certainly a larger debate to be had about what governments should and shouldn't be able to do against organised destabilisation efforts, though.

[Legbiter]

Control measures are beginning to be eased in several countries now. Here we're going back to semi-normal from our suspiciously Swedish-looking lockdown. The health service has quadrupled overall hospital capacity, the testing is in place, granny has been locked up so now we just go forward with masks and social distancing. It'll have to do until there's a vaccine.

[Threviel]

I haven't found a source, but credible rumours has it that around 30% of Stockholm has already had it. Swedish CDC is on record claiming that we approach herd immunity.

[garbon]

I haven't found a source, but credible rumours has it that around 30% of Stockholm has already had it. Swedish CDC is on record claiming that we approach herd immunity.

Doesn't herd immunity need something like 60-80% of the population to have it?

[Iormlund]

I haven't found a source, but credible rumours has it that around 30% of Stockholm has already had it. Swedish CDC is on record claiming that we approach herd immunity.

Doesn't herd immunity need something like 60-80% of the population to have it?

It depends on the rate of transmission. For something as contagious as SARS-2, it might be as high as 80%.

[Legbiter]

I haven't found a source, but credible rumours has it that around 30% of Stockholm has already had it. Swedish CDC is on record claiming that we approach herd immunity.

Yeah, that's good news if true, means the death rate is much lower compared to total cases. Stockholm is a special category of it's own, numbers outside of it are not that dissimilar to Denmark and Norway.

[celedhring]

If Sweden is 30% immune with 1,500 dead that means we and Italy are probably 100% immune by now.

So, no.

[The Brain]

If Sweden is 30% immune with 1,500 dead that means we and Italy are probably 100% immune by now.

So, no.

There is more to Sweden than Stockholm. God I hated saying that but it's true.

[Sheilbh]

I haven't found a source, but credible rumours has it that around 30% of Stockholm has already had it. Swedish CDC is on record claiming that we approach herd immunity.

Doesn't herd immunity need something like 60-80% of the population to have it?

That was my understanding. Interestingly from the FT stats, the hospitalisation rate is slowing (but not decreasing yet):


And Sweden is from what I understand the ultra-technocratic model on this, in that from what I've read these aren't really political decisions. Under Swedish law in an emergency the public health bodies and scientists basically decide the response (rather than making recommendations/advice that elected politicians then decide).

[Duque de Bragança]

If Sweden is 30% immune with 1,500 dead that means we and Italy are probably 100% immune by now.

So, no.

There is more to Sweden than Stockholm. God I hated saying that but it's true.

What's next? There is more to France is more than Paris?!

[celedhring]

If Sweden is 30% immune with 1,500 dead that means we and Italy are probably 100% immune by now.

So, no.

There is more to Sweden than Stockholm. God I hated saying that but it's true.

I googled the amount of deaths in there but couldn't find it in the one minute I wanted to devote to the task, so I went with the crudest napkin math possible 

Anyway, what I mean is that given what we know about the virus mortality, it seems to me that's a bit too optimistic. I hope it's true though, because it would mean we ourselves are very likely getting there and would make the future much much much easier.

The - for now largely anecdotical - serological data we have doesn't point to a statistically large % of the Spanish population having been infected, incidentally. We'll see the results of the more serious serological surveys that are scheduled to run in the coming weeks.

[Threviel]

I haven't found a source, but credible rumours has it that around 30% of Stockholm has already had it. Swedish CDC is on record claiming that we approach herd immunity.

Doesn't herd immunity need something like 60-80% of the population to have it?

Approach |= There.

[garbon]

I haven't found a source, but credible rumours has it that around 30% of Stockholm has already had it. Swedish CDC is on record claiming that we approach herd immunity.

Doesn't herd immunity need something like 60-80% of the population to have it?

Approach |= There.

So we are approaching a vaccine?

[Tamas]

I would treat every assumption out of Sweden with a great pinch of salt. There must be tremendous desire to justify their care home eugenics program they opted for instead of a lockdown.

[Syt]

Austria's number of currently sick is ca. 3,600, down from a peak of 9,100 17 days ago. 470 dead, total of about 14,000 infected total.

Museums are to open next week. There's talk of opening restaurants, with mandatory masks for staff, and a limit of how many people are allowed inside. While I think that restaurants are among the hardest hit businesses in the crisis, I don't know how much it helps them. Many are barely profitable on the best of days, and limiting the number of guests might only slow down but not remedy the issue.