Star Wars Megathread

[HVC]

I watched 1-3 and then 5 because I heard the fight was at least cool. All other canon breaking stuff aside (which it seems every iteration does anyway, right back to the originals) the writing is just bad. Both the actual dialogue and the characters and storyline itself. Characters flip flop and are inconsistent, nightsisters rip-off's create their own virgin birth twins so I guess an Anakin wasn't unique after all.

I've given up on the series. Hopefully asokha season 2 is good.

I do watch Jeremy Jahn's reviews because I find him entertaining and a reviewer who matches my views overall in most of the things he reviews. He's also not just a generic Disney/woke hater, so that's a plus.

[celedhring]

Personally I realized today this is my 3rd favorite Star Wars show, which I guess tells a lot about the others

With all its multiple faults, I appreciate that it's trying to tell an emotionally complex story, and doesn't rely on fanservice.

[crazy canuck]

But as the reviewer pointed out it's not actually emotionally complex.  It's just a bunch of inconsistent characters that have no memory.

[Valmy]

And that is the very problem with the Star Wars universe.  Jedi are not just preaching, they are supposed to actual have the ability to do what they preach. They are not merely human.  They have transcended being merely human.  At the beginning of the show Sol has extraordinary powers to read minds.  But the Jedi powers and discipline always fail in the Star Wars stories.

Yep.

Well at least in the original trilogy it sort of worked because Luke was just a newbie and Obi-Wan was old.

If the Jedi actually are what they say they are then the plots of most Star Wars media just wouldn't happen.

In KOTOR they just kind of leave it vague why lots of the Jedi would join Exar Kun or Revan. Or why the Jedi shouldn't stop the planetary genocides being carried out by the Mandalorians. Just because of spooky Force reasons.

[crazy canuck]

We get the backstory in this episode.  The Jedi are reckless, undisciplined and most surprising, dishonest.

[Grey Fox]

Yes.

[Sophie Scholl]

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[chipwich]

We get the backstory in this episode.  The Jedi are reckless, undisciplined and most surprising, dishonest.

this is less interesting than a story about Jedi excellence.

[crazy canuck]

Finale, they managed to make the Dark Side a lot more appealing/sympathetic than the Jedi.

[Syt]

Overall enjoyed the story of Acolyte, and the finale had some good actions and some surprise cameos.

However, I thought it was oddly paced and bumpy. I feel it's another case where a bit more runtime to let some scenes breathe and give more room to character moments would have helped it a lot. Longer episodes, or more episodes, but obiously that's also a question of budget.

[crazy canuck]

What do you think about the dishonesty of the Jedi being the main story hook?

[Syt]

SPOILERS!

Well, the show was supposed to be about the Jedi setting onto the path of their downfall and the ascent of the Sith. The Jedi, esp. as portraited in the prequels, have set near impossible standards for their ranks in terms of emotional detachment that will be difficult to adhere to for people with emotions. It's an ongoing effort, and people will fail at it. The Jedi are an ideal to aspire to, but in practice they lack for any good policy of dealing with people who won't or can't abide by their rules.

And as they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. I mean look at any kind of Star Wars media, from the 80s till now, and look at how many folks fall to the dark side, often starting with noble intentions. Just from the movies - Anakin wants to protect his loved ones. Dooku was looking at a corrupted Republic that was not working for the good of the people any more.

With the "original" 4 Jedi, I think it's not so much lying as it is omitting key details. "The truth ... from a certain point of view." Vernestra in the end throwing Sol under the space bus, and lying about what happened AND not mentioning the involvement of her former padawan is as big a slip, if not a worse one - even though it might be understandable in the moment, trying to protect the Jedi order from malintentioned outsiders. Ideally, they would face the scandal with openness, but I guess it's also understandable to sweep it under the rug. (Even though the senator raises some very good points.)

Just this once, you know. Won't happen again. Promised!

Meanwhile you have Jedi like Yord who are totally fine with just blindly following doctrine and instructions of their supervisors, but ultimately mabye failing to live up to the spirit of what the Jedi are meant to embody.

We want Jedi to be as flawless as possible, but the reality is that there's very few flawless people. And even the best of the Jedi (Obi-Wan? Qui-Gon? Ahsoka?) have their personal failings with grave consequences, even if they manage stay in the Light.

[HVC]

Caveat, I didn't watch the episode, I just find the reviewer entertaining.

[Valmy]

Well, the show was supposed to be about the Jedi setting onto the path of their downfall and the ascent of the Sith. The Jedi, esp. as portraited in the prequels, have set near impossible standards for their ranks in terms of emotional detachment that will be difficult to adhere to for people with emotions. It's an ongoing effort, and people will fail at it. The Jedi are an ideal to aspire to, but in practice they lack for any good policy of dealing with people who won't or can't abide by their rules.

So they are normal people with normal flaws? How exciting.