The Impeachment of President Donald J Trump

[jimmy olsen]

This is a pretty big break. Seems they were involved in huge campaign violations in order to bribe congressmen to support the ouster of the Ukranian ambassador who wouldn't go along with the Biden conspiracy theories.

[dps]

That's incredibly stupid, even for people around Trump.  Congressmen can't get a foreign ambassador fired.  WTF?

[Admiral Yi]

That's incredibly stupid, even for people around Trump.  Congressmen can't get a foreign ambassador fired.  WTF?

The Russian money was trying to buy permission to do a pot operation in the US.  Getting the ambassador fired is separate from that.  That has to do with fucking up Trump's attempt to smear Biden.

[Razgovory]

Trump's rally was vile.

[Eddie Teach]

Details?

[The Minsky Moment]

Among other things he said that Pelosi is "either really stupid or she's lost it."

Projection much?

[Barrister]

Among other things he said that Pelosi is "either really stupid or she's lost it."

Projection much?

That's Trump's MO.  He accuses others of things he himself has done.

[Barrister]

So the former Ukraine ambassador testified today, in contravention of Trump's direction not to, but in compliance with the House's subpoena.

How many others will follow this lead?

[The Minsky Moment]

The ones that don't want to get hit with an enforcement action will comply.

[FunkMonk]

The Sondland guy, whose texts helped blow this up even more, agreed to testify next week. Also in contravention of the administration's orders.

[Barrister]

The ones that don't want to get hit with an enforcement action will comply.

I don't know the precise details of an enforcement action.  I know here refusal to comply with a subpoena can result in your arrest by police and being brought to court in custody.

But in a situation where congress asserts a subpoena is valid, but the President asserts it is not?  Clearly federal law enforcement (FBI, Secret Service) is going to defer to the President's direction.  Other law enforcement though might well just say "eh, let's wait for a court ruling" which could take months.

People voluntarily complying with their subpoena is going to go a long way to getting any impeachment and removal off the ground I think.

[Razgovory]

The ones that don't want to get hit with an enforcement action will comply.

I don't know the precise details of an enforcement action.  I know here refusal to comply with a subpoena can result in your arrest by police and being brought to court in custody.

But in a situation where congress asserts a subpoena is valid, but the President asserts it is not?  Clearly federal law enforcement (FBI, Secret Service) is going to defer to the President's direction.  Other law enforcement though might well just say "eh, let's wait for a court ruling" which could take months.

People voluntarily complying with their subpoena is going to go a long way to getting any impeachment and removal off the ground I think.

The president doesn't have the power to order a subpoena at least not directly.  He can ask the Justice Department to subpoena someone, but that needs to go through the courts.  Congress does have the power to order a subpoena.  They have the power to fine people for contempt and to jail them.  That hasn't happened in a long time though.

[Barrister]

Acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney acknowledged Thursday that U.S. military funds to Ukraine were previously withheld at least in part because of a desire to have the Eastern European nation investigate unfounded allegations that foreign countries may have aided Democrats in the 2016 election.

"Did he also mention to me in [the] past the corruption related to the DNC server? Absolutely," Mulvaney said of a conversation he had with President Donald Trump. "No question about that. But that's it, and that's why we held up the money."

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Mulvaney added: "The look-back to what happened in 2016 certainly was part of the thing that he was worried about in corruption with that nation."

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Pressed on whether he was describing a quid pro quo with Ukraine, Mulvaney responded that "we do that all the time with foreign policy," and cited the holding back of aid to Northern Triangle countries in an attempt to affect their immigration policies.

"I have news for everybody: Get over it. There's going to be political influence in foreign policy," he said. "That is going to happen. Elections have consequences, and foreign policy is going to change from the Obama administration to the Trump administration."

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/17/mulvaney-confirms-ukraine-aid-2016-probe-050156

Wow.

[frunk]

We're just on the step where "it's no big deal, everybody does it".

Soon we'll be on to the next scandal and forget about this one.  Can't let there be too much time spent on one.

[Valmy]

So we should vote for an outsider because the establishment politicians are too corrupt...but he is going to be corrupt anyway because the establishment politicians are corrupt?