Élection présidentielle française

[derspiess]

Anti-fascist theatre? Fuck you dude. Has everybody gone fucking insane?

Not everyone, but that's been Duque's POV for a while.

Do you keep a file on everyone?

[derspiess]

Anti-fascist theatre? Fuck you dude. Has everybody gone fucking insane?

Antifas are worse than actual fascists.

[Valmy]

Anti-fascist theatre? Fuck you dude. Has everybody gone fucking insane?

Antifas are worse than actual fascists.

I don't know what this means. In any case my opposition to Le Pen has nothing to do with buzz words like 'fascist' but on basically everything she claims to stand for. She has a radical left wing economic agenda. Does that not bother you? You seem weirdly supportive of her, I know you are going full Cold War Democrat and all.

Equating opposition to idiocy like that as some kind of theatre is nonsense.

[Admiral Yi]

Antifas are people who believe in the acceptability of using extra-legal means to combat fascism.

[derspiess]

I don't know what this means. In any case my opposition to Le Pen has nothing to do with buzz words like 'fascist' but on basically everything she claims to stand for. She has a radical left wing economic agenda. Does that not bother you?

What is radically left wing about her economic agenda? 

[Valmy]

I'm sure Valmy will mellow with age.

All I do is state my political opinions on an obscure internet message board. I am not sure how much more mellow I can get.

Edit: Well I guess I could just go full Mono but, you know, without the crime.

[Valmy]

Antifas are people who believe in the acceptability of using extra-legal means to combat fascism.

Well all I am asking for is people vote against them.

[Duque de Bragança]

Anti-fascist theatre? Fuck you dude. Has everybody gone fucking insane?

Calm down, Saint-Just, don't go Fouquier-Tinville on me, that would be la double peine.

It's a Jospin quote. I am sure you remember him. PS prime minister of Chirac. A decent guy.

French only
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niC9Bgyt7PA

0'07"

Tout anti-fascisme n'était que du théâtre.

PS: he mentions clearly Le Pen father

[CountDeMoney]

I don't know what this means. In any case my opposition to Le Pen has nothing to do with buzz words like 'fascist' but on basically everything she claims to stand for. She has a radical left wing economic agenda. Does that not bother you?

What is radically left wing about her economic agenda?

More centralized state planning?

[Valmy]

Calm down, Saint-Just, don't go Fouquier-Tinville on me, that would be la double peine.

Awww what a nice thing to say

Fair enough. I just do not want the numerous reasons the FN is unacceptable to get construed as some sort of hysteria.

[Valmy]

I don't know what this means. In any case my opposition to Le Pen has nothing to do with buzz words like 'fascist' but on basically everything she claims to stand for. She has a radical left wing economic agenda. Does that not bother you?

What is radically left wing about her economic agenda?

More centralized state planning?

Basically. Populist state intervention. Heck Duque described it as not far off from Mélenchon.

[Duque de Bragança]

That's supposed to be a defense?

No, a question. Avoid unfounded Reductio ad hitlerem next time. This is not the '30s anymore.

Her program is close to Mélenchon's, economy-wise.

Again - is that supposed to be a defense?

Well, you claim Marine is a neo-nazi cf. "team Swastika ", your words. Is he team Swastika too?
Criticism of Marine, or Mélenchon for that matter, has to be a bit more thought out.

Small results and wide discontent.

The only way he is going to get some reform-minded legislation, in a free-market/classic liberal way, is by having a massive Identity politics diversion to keep the people busy, à la Mitterrand in '83.

That says sad things about the state of politics in France, but not really about Macron

We can agree on the first part, but it is really about Macron.  He was a minister in a Hollande government, led by the party still operating on Mitterand's principles.

In the old times, till the '80s, the communists (cf. Marchais) were even against all immigration yet they were spared the anti-fascist theatre.

So now we've compared the FN program to 3 1930s era soft fascist dictators, a hard left splitter from the PS, and the old PCF.  Can I assume that is not meant as praise?

Salazar and Metaxas was tongue in cheek for the Reductio ad hitlerem cliché. They are really like minor league "fascism", since they lack the totalitarian and expansionist aspect, so even calling them fascism is debatable and does not help in understanding the deep nature of the respective regimes.

Marchais, as far as commies go, was perfectly acceptable. Old PCF is not true since Marchais de-stalinised the party. Unlike, say the Portuguese Communist Party.
City communism, French-style, with class-conscious proletariat sure beats ethnic/islamist enclaves. Except for Mitterrand and the PS which needed a majority by neutering without killing the PCF. Of course, it's the past, but so are the Glorious Thirties and their favorable context for immigration.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LG2BA9SxClM Marchais "halt all immigration legal and illegal", immigration and its problems, fake "cultural" centres
dates from 1980-81.

Old PCF means in France, the likes of Thorez and Duclos. You probably know the former who deserted in 1939 to join Moscow, as per Molotov-Ribbentrop rules.

As for hard left splitter for Mélenchon, you are too kind. Hard left? he wishes so, former PS apparatchik, former Trot (reverse entrism?).

My point is, the Marine/contemporary FN phenomenon should be separated from the '30s, if you really want to understand and improve the current situation, instead of just empty posturing or as Jospin would say theatre. Otherwise, it's pointless to keep on discussing.

[Duque de Bragança]

I don't know what this means. In any case my opposition to Le Pen has nothing to do with buzz words like 'fascist' but on basically everything she claims to stand for. She has a radical left wing economic agenda. Does that not bother you?

What is radically left wing about her economic agenda?

More centralized state planning?

Basically. Populist state intervention. Heck Duque described it as not far off from Mélenchon.

Four-year plans, à la Brezhnev, not coercitive though so really French dirigisme-style, the socialism that works, or used to. 
Of course, this would only work in a more closed economy. Mélenchon and Le Pen agree on this point.

[MadImmortalMan]

Recreating the policies of les trente glorieuses won't recreate the conditions that made it work back then. It was the conditions of the times which made the policies of the time work, and not the other way around.

[Jacob]

Do you keep a file on everyone?

No, but I do note people's political opinions when they voice them.