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A new Kosovo Crisis?

Started by Syt, January 17, 2017, 09:52:52 AM

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Quote from: Solmyr on January 20, 2017, 01:06:23 AM
Isn't his son-in-law part of the  :Joos ?

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Quote from: Valmy on January 19, 2017, 09:22:12 PM
So those are the only two options? Isolationism and some kind of ideology based on collective rights? Not buying it.
A great President, according to those who voted him in office anyway, once said "You're with us or against us". ;)

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And yeah picking a side in those conflicts listed would not only make us party to atrocities but would get us mixed up in interminable and endless struggles. I think stopping the massacre in Rwanda (which, in any case, we did not do anyway) does not require one to pick up the Tutsi flag. There are other reasons to oppose genocide than that.
The situation in Rwanda was different, namely because there weren't clear geographical lines between Huttus and Tutsis.

In many cases however, there are clear territorial demarcations between both groups.  Is it perfect with 100% of the population on each side of the line?  No.  Should seperation be encouraged?  No.  But once two groups have proven they can't live together and one wants out and not live under the domination of the other, it should be allowed to leave, democratically.  And if one side is committing atrocities against the other and the only solutions are to keep a peacekeeping force for a century or allow the split, then the split should be the viable option.
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Quote from: viper37 on January 21, 2017, 12:48:16 AM
Quote from: Valmy on January 19, 2017, 09:22:12 PM
So those are the only two options? Isolationism and some kind of ideology based on collective rights? Not buying it.
A great President, according to those who voted him in office anyway, once said "You're with us or against us". ;)

Which president said that about Kossovo?  :huh:
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Quote from: viper37 on January 21, 2017, 12:48:16 AM
Quote from: Valmy on January 19, 2017, 09:22:12 PM
So those are the only two options? Isolationism and some kind of ideology based on collective rights? Not buying it.
A great President, according to those who voted him in office anyway, once said "You're with us or against us". ;)


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Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 22, 2017, 07:20:43 PM
The folks who made Trump the nominee didn't like Bush at all.
AFAIK, Republicans vote for the Republican nominee.  They are the same people who voted for Bush in his time.  They are the same people who defended all his actions.  Now that it turned bad, they say they never liked him.
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