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Whither Obamacare?

Started by Jacob, January 05, 2017, 01:25:36 AM

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What will the GOP do to Obamacare?

There will be much sturm und drang, but ultimately no concrete action will be taken. It'll still be Obamacare.
5 (13.2%)
They'll attempt to rebrand it and own it, changing a few details, but otherwise leaving it in place.
6 (15.8%)
They'll replace it with something terrific that provides better coverage and cheaper too for the populace.
2 (5.3%)
They'll repeal it without a replacement, leaving large number of Americans without coverage for a significant period of time, perhaps forever.
17 (44.7%)
They'll repeal it with a replacement that screws over some people, but still covers some people significantly and call that an improvement.
7 (18.4%)
Some other outcome.
1 (2.6%)

Total Members Voted: 38

Syt

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/08/politics/donald-trump-conservative-leaders/index.html

QuoteTrump to conservative leaders: If this plan fails, I'll blame Democrats

Washington (CNN)In an Oval Office meeting featuring several leaders of conservative groups already lining up against the House Republican plan to repeal and replace Obamacare, President Donald Trump revealed his plan in the event the GOP effort fails: Allow Obamcare to fail and let Democrats take the blame, sources at the gathering told CNN.

During the hour-long meeting, sources said Trump chastised the groups -- including Club for Growth, the Heritage Foundation, Americans for Prosperity, FreedomWorks and the Tea Party Patriots -- for calling the House GOP proposal "Obamacare lite," warning the tea party activists, "you are helping the other side."

In true Trump fashion, the President jumped into salesman mode, sources at the meeting said.

"This is going to be great. You're going to make it even greater," the President told the group. "I'm going to work hard to get it done."

The meeting between Trump and the conservative leaders also included White House senior advisers Steve Bannon, Reince Priebus, Kellyanne Conway and Marc Short, as well as other top West Wing staff.

Sources at the meeting said White House aides showed some openness to one aspect of the House GOP plan that has become an irritant to tea party aligned groups: the provision that pushes back an overhaul of the expansion Obamacare Medicaid funding until 2020.

The conservative groups at the meeting asked that the date be moved up to January 1, 2018. White House aides said they were "open to discussing" it, sources said.

Concerns were also raised about the tax credits in the House GOP plan which allow lower-income Americans to buy health insurance, financial assistance that tea party groups see as subsidies.

"They counter-punched hard on that," a source at the meeting said of the White House response.

Office of Management and Budget director Mick Mulvaney, a former member of the conservative House Freedom Caucus, gave an impassioned defense of the tax credits, a display that surprised attendees from the conservative groups.

"He was very defensive about it," one attendee said about Mulvaney.

Confident that the health care plan will pass the House, Trump laid out his strategy for winning passage in the Senate, telling the meeting he will campaign heavily in red states featuring vulnerable Democrats up for re-election.

"Trump said he will have football stadium events in states where he won by 10-12 points and he is going to dare people to vote against him," a source at the meeting said.
As for prominent Republican opponents of the health care plan, Trump sounded optimistic.

On Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul, the President was effusive about his one-time primary rival.

"I love him. He's a friend. He's going to end up voting for it," the President told the group.

A source at the meeting was astonished as to how White House staff could have been so blindsided by the initial conservative opposition to the GOP plan.

"We telegraphed it for weeks," one tea party official at the meeting said.

A WH official at the meeting said: "It was a legit policy meeting -- real discussion about specifics."

"The president expressed that he was open to things that could improve the bill, but was also clear that this is the vehicle -- this is the chance to repeal and replace."
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Syt

I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.
—Stephen Jay Gould

Proud owner of 42 Zoupa Points.

garbon

His plan is to blame the Dems who are not in power? :hmm:
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."

I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

derspiess

"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

The Minsky Moment

Quote from: garbon on March 09, 2017, 11:21:07 AM
His plan is to blame the Dems who are not in power? :hmm:

And Valerie Jarrett, and George Soros, and the decaying corpse of Saul Alinsky.

Sad!
The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists.
--Joan Robinson


Berkut

Quote from: Jacob on March 09, 2017, 12:57:43 PM
Quote from: derspiess on March 09, 2017, 11:23:21 AM
Works for me! :P

Surprise surprise!

Indeed! What a shock that the not-Trump fan is delighted with a plan that clearly cannnot work, as long as the failure is blamed on Democrats.
"If you think this has a happy ending, then you haven't been paying attention."

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derspiess

What a shock that Berkut does not have a sense of humor.

Btw, which groups do I hate?
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

Berkut

Quote from: derspiess on March 09, 2017, 03:27:26 PM
What a shock that Berkut does not have a sense of humor.

Of course, it is all just a joke! hahahaha!


But don't you mean Jake? He is the one who responded to you...

So funny!
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Btw, which groups do I hate?

All the right ones, I am sure.
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The Minsky Moment

Donald's schtick had more amusement value when he didn't have the entire machinery of the US federal government at his disposal.  It's hard to find humor in a President openly boasting about his intention to dodge accountability.

We've had over a month of the man making a mockery of himself and our system of government.  All yuck-yucked out.

The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists.
--Joan Robinson

Admiral Yi

9/10 Trump voters approve of him.  Impeachment won't happen happen until that number drops significantly.

grumbler

The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

Bayraktar!

Jacob

Quote from: grumbler on March 09, 2017, 04:58:50 PM
C'mon, he played that ball perfectly.  I lol'd.

Sure he played the ball well. That doesn't mean the rest of us just have to leave it there afterwards.

grumbler

Quote from: Jacob on March 09, 2017, 05:58:10 PM
Quote from: grumbler on March 09, 2017, 04:58:50 PM
C'mon, he played that ball perfectly.  I lol'd.

Sure he played the ball well. That doesn't mean the rest of us just have to leave it there afterwards.

True.  If you'd been wise, you'd have left it, but some people can't leave well enough alone.  When the ball has been slam-dunked, the play is over.
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

Bayraktar!

CountDeMoney

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on March 09, 2017, 04:17:45 PM
Donald's schtick had more amusement value when he didn't have the entire machinery of the US federal government at his disposal.  It's hard to find humor in a President openly boasting about his intention to dodge accountability.

We've had over a month of the man making a mockery of himself and our system of government.  All yuck-yucked out.

This is what the beginning of the end looks like, MM.

There's a fork in the road; one path leads to Venezuela, the other leads to Damnation Alley.