Whither Obamacare?

[Monoriu]

I actually find Trump's position reasonable.  If a political party has called for a major piece of legislation to be replaced for 6, 7 years, one would imagine that they have a ready replacement that could be enacted as soon as they get into power.  It is puzzling that it isn't the case here.

Really. You haven't been paying attention. They been frothing at this chance since it came out. They don't have shit to replace it. And given a chance they would erase everything the darkie did. That's they're mindset.

I am just saying their behaviour has failed to enshrine the highest standards of wisdom and integrity 

[grumbler]

You know, it's going to be the Republicans that eventually impeach Trump, because he's going to get in the way of their legislative agenda a little too often.  They're going to bounce him, his little shit son-in-law and the rest of the goofball crew, and let Pence and Ryan take care of business.

I'll laugh if within a year languish largely supports trump because of things like this

I don't need to wait to laugh.  I already have you.  This makes zero sense.

[grumbler]

I am just saying their behaviour has failed to enshrine the highest standards of wisdom and integrity 

Their behavior has been a long series of election gimmicks.  The Republicans lost interest in positive politics about halfway through the Clinton presidency.

[Valmy]

You know, it's going to be the Republicans that eventually impeach Trump, because he's going to get in the way of their legislative agenda a little too often.  They're going to bounce him, his little shit son-in-law and the rest of the goofball crew, and let Pence and Ryan take care of business.

I'll laugh if within a year languish largely supports trump because of things like this

I am intrigued how you not only have conflated us all into one singular entity but you then have invented attributes for this entity that none of us have.

[Admiral Yi]

My biweekly premium went up from $99.42 to $105.39.  Thanks Obama! 

[Syt]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/12/us/politics/health-care-congress-vote-a-rama.html?_r=0

Senate Takes Major Step Toward Repealing Health Care Law

WASHINGTON — Senate Republicans took their first major step toward repealing the Affordable Care Act on Thursday, approving a budget blueprint that would allow them to gut the health care law without the threat of a Democratic filibuster.

The vote was 51 to 48. During the roll call, Democrats staged a highly unusual protest on the Senate floor to express their dismay and anger at the prospect that millions of Americans could lose health insurance coverage.

One by one, Democrats rose to voice their objections. Senator Maria Cantwell of Washington said that Republicans were "stealing health care from Americans." Senator Ron Wyden of Oregon said he was voting no "because health care should not just be for the healthy and wealthy."

The presiding officer, Senator Cory Gardner, Republican of Colorado, repeatedly banged his gavel and said the Democrats were out of order because "debate is not allowed during a vote."

The final vote, which ended just before 1:30 a.m., followed a marathon session in which senators took back-to-back roll call votes on numerous amendments, an arduous exercise known as a vote-a-rama.

The approval of the budget blueprint, coming even before President-elect Donald J. Trump is inaugurated, shows the speed with which Republican leaders are moving to fulfill their promise to repeal President Obama's signature domestic policy achievement — a goal they believe can now be accomplished after Mr. Trump's election.

The action by the Senate is essentially procedural, setting the stage for a special kind of legislation called a reconciliation bill. Such a bill can be used to repeal significant parts of the health law and, critically, is immune from being filibustered. Congress appears to be at least weeks away from voting on legislation repealing the law.

Republicans say the 2016 elections gave them a mandate to roll back the health care law. "The Obamacare bridge is collapsing, and we're sending in a rescue team," said Senator Michael B. Enzi, Republican of Wyoming and the chairman of the Senate Budget Committee. "Then we'll build new bridges to better health care, and finally, when these new bridges are finished, we'll close the old bridge."

Republican leaders say they will work closely with Mr. Trump developing legislation to repeal and replace the health care law, but it is unclear exactly how his team will participate in that effort.

On Wednesday, Mr. Trump said he would offer his own plan to repeal and replace the law "essentially simultaneously." He said he would put forth the plan as soon as his nominee for secretary of health and human services, Representative Tom Price, Republican of Georgia, is confirmed.

The Affordable Care Act has become ingrained in the American health care system, and unwinding it will be a formidable challenge for Republicans. More than 20 million people have gained coverage under the law, though premiums have risen sharply in many states and some insurers have fled the law's health exchanges.

The budget blueprint instructs House and Senate committees to come up with repeal legislation by Jan. 27.

Senator Bob Corker, Republican of Tennessee, and four other Republicans had sought to extend that deadline by five weeks, to March 3. But late Wednesday night, Mr. Corker withdrew an amendment that would have changed the date.

"We understand that everyone here understands the importance of doing it right," he said. He described the Jan. 27 date in the budget blueprint as a placeholder.

Senator Rob Portman of Ohio, another Republican who sought to delay the deadline, said: "This date is not a date that is set in stone. In fact, it is the earliest we could do it. But it could take longer, and we believe that it might."

The House was planning to take up the budget blueprint once the Senate approved it, though some House Republicans have expressed discomfort with voting on the blueprint this week because of lingering questions over how and when the health care law would be replaced.

A vote on the measure in the House could come on Friday.

In its lengthy series of votes, the Senate rejected amendments proposed by Democrats that were intended to allow imports of prescription drugs from Canada, protect rural hospitals and ensure continued access to coverage for people with pre-existing conditions, among other causes.

In the parlance of Capitol Hill, many of the Democrats' proposals were "messaging amendments," intended to put Republicans on record as opposing popular provisions of the Affordable Care Act. The budget blueprint is for the guidance of Congress; it is not presented to the president for a signature or veto and does not become law.

As the Senate plowed through its work on Wednesday, Republicans explained why they were determined to dismantle the health care law, and they tried to assuage concerns about the future of coverage for millions of Americans.

"This is our opportunity to keep our campaign promise," said Senator Roger Wicker, Republican of Mississippi. "This is our opportunity to help the president-elect and the vice president-elect keep their campaign promises and show to the American people that elections have consequences."

Senator Johnny Isakson, Republican of Georgia, said that while working to repeal the health care law, "we must also talk about what we replace it with, because repealing it without a replacement is an unacceptable solution."

Republicans do not have an agreement even among themselves on the content of legislation to replace the Affordable Care Act, the timetable for votes on such legislation or its effective date.

Senator Susan Collins, Republican of Maine, said on Wednesday that she agreed with Mr. Trump that Congress should repeal the health law and adopt a replacement plan at about the same time.

"But I don't see any possibility of our being able to come up with a comprehensive reform bill that would replace Obamacare by the end of this month," she said. "I just don't see that as being feasible." (Ms. Collins also supported pushing back the deadline to come up with repeal legislation.)

As Republicans pursue repealing the law, Democrats contend that Republicans are trying to rip insurance away from millions of Americans with no idea of what to do next.

The Senate Democratic leader, Chuck Schumer of New York, called the Republicans' repeal plan "irresponsible and rushed" and urged them to halt their push to unravel the law.

"Don't put chaos in place of affordable care," he said.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/12/us/politics/health-care-congress-vote-a-rama.html?_r=0

I believe that this is the fourth time the Senate Republicans have taken "their first major step toward repealing the Affordable Care Act."  I wonder how many more times they will take that first step.

[Syt]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/12/us/politics/health-care-congress-vote-a-rama.html?_r=0

I believe that this is the fourth time the Senate Republicans have taken "their first major step toward repealing the Affordable Care Act."  I wonder how many more times they will take that first step.

Well, the Tweeter in Chief has made it official:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/819600124133474307

Congrats to the Senate for taking the first step to #RepealObamacare- now it's onto the House!

[grumbler]

Well, the Tweeter in Chief has made it official:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/819600124133474307

Congrats to the Senate for taking the first step to #RepealObamacare- now it's onto the House!

Makes sense they would keep doing it until their boss noticed.

[CountDeMoney]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/12/us/politics/health-care-congress-vote-a-rama.html?_r=0

I believe that this is the fourth time the Senate Republicans have taken "their first major step toward repealing the Affordable Care Act."  I wonder how many more times they will take that first step.

This will go down in history as one of the longest, most complex murder conspiracies of all time.  They'll never be able to pin this on derspiess, no matter how much evidence I leave behind for them.

[derspiess]

This will go down in history as one of the longest, most complex murder conspiracies of all time.  They'll never be able to pin this on derspiess, no matter how much evidence I leave behind for them.

  You know I mean you no harm, Seedz.

[Tamas]

Regardless of how feasible Obamacare is, it's frightening how a country's government can go ahead and, in effect, deny healthcare for the poorest of its own people, with the thunderous applause of many of their supporters, including plenty of the aforementioned poorest.

It is just not normal.

[Jacob]

Regardless of how feasible Obamacare is, it's frightening how a country's government can go ahead and, in effect, deny healthcare for the poorest of its own people, with the thunderous applause of many of their supporters, including plenty of the aforementioned poorest.

It is just not normal.

Don't worry. Spicy means them no harm.

[garbon]

Regardless of how feasible Obamacare is, it's frightening how a country's government can go ahead and, in effect, deny healthcare for the poorest of its own people, with the thunderous applause of many of their supporters, including plenty of the aforementioned poorest.

It is just not normal.

Umm...they'll still have healthcare, it'll just be at the ER.

Also, is Britain all that different? I mean I guess the poor our notionally covered but if they can't actually live long enough to get that doctor's appointment or get seen at the A&E before they bleed out, difference seems a bit more like semantics.

[grumbler]

Regardless of how feasible Obamacare is, it's frightening how a country's government can go ahead and, in effect, deny healthcare for the poorest of its own people, with the thunderous applause of many of their supporters, including plenty of the aforementioned poorest.

It is just not normal.

As long as they don't get rid of the ACA, Obamacare is just a drain and shameful and should be repealed.  After all, Obama's not president any more after next Friday.