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Whither Obamacare?

Started by Jacob, January 05, 2017, 01:25:36 AM

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What will the GOP do to Obamacare?

There will be much sturm und drang, but ultimately no concrete action will be taken. It'll still be Obamacare.
5 (13.2%)
They'll attempt to rebrand it and own it, changing a few details, but otherwise leaving it in place.
6 (15.8%)
They'll replace it with something terrific that provides better coverage and cheaper too for the populace.
2 (5.3%)
They'll repeal it without a replacement, leaving large number of Americans without coverage for a significant period of time, perhaps forever.
17 (44.7%)
They'll repeal it with a replacement that screws over some people, but still covers some people significantly and call that an improvement.
7 (18.4%)
Some other outcome.
1 (2.6%)

Total Members Voted: 38

jimmy olsen

Good luck with that

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/trump-s-call-quick-obamacare-replacement-complicates-gop-efforts-n705371
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Trump's Call For 'Quick' Obamacare Replacement Complicates GOP Efforts

by Leigh Ann Caldwell and Alex Moe

President-elect Donald Trump said Tuesday that he wants to see Congress repeal the Affordable Care Act soon and pass a replacement "very quickly or simultaneously." His urging contradicts Republican leaders who have been cautioning that overhauling the massive health care law would take time.

Trump would like Obamacare repealed within days and contended that "the replace will be very quickly or simultaneously, very shortly thereafter," he told the New York Times in an interview Tuesday. "Long to me would be weeks," Trump added.

Trump's statements could be an effort at public persuasion but they are complicating efforts for congressional Republicans working to plot out plans to repeal and replace the ACA in a manner that would be politically and economically viable while maintaining the support of enough Republicans to pass the legislation.

While the repeal effort is scheduled to be complete by the end of January, if all goes according to plan, Republican leaders have said replacement could take much longer, possibly months or even years.

Republican leaders are feeling pressure from some rank-and-file members who are feeling jittery to speed up the multi-step process and replace the health care law at the same time it is repealed.

House Speaker Paul Ryan indicated Tuesday morning, before Trump's comments, that he is taking into consideration the concerns of some in his GOP conference about a long lag between repeal and replace.

"It is our goal to bring it all together concurrently," Ryan said for the first time. "We are going to use every tool at our disposal through legislation, through regulation, to bring replace concurrent along with repeal so we can save people from this mess."

The Senate and House are expected to vote on the first step of the repeal process this week as part of a budget resolution known as reconciliation. The legislation directs that the second part of the repeal process, which would actually start to dismantle the health care law, be complete by January 27.

But Trump's latest remarks have put him in front of the debate, putting even more pressure on Republican leaders to speed up the process.

Republican leaders Tuesday declined denounce - or support - Trump's timeline and insisted they are on the same page.

Trump's plans are "not any way inconsistent with the timeline we're aiming for," Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell said.

One member of leadership, Sen. John Thune, R-South Dakota, said that Trump's public pronouncements and apparent lack of understanding of the complexities of how Congress works - and the difficulty in passing legislation so quickly - are complicating their efforts.

"From a messaging standpoint, yes I worry," Thune said about Trump's comments.

Trump had been publicly cautioning Republicans for the past week, telling them via Twitter to "be careful" in their health care repeal efforts, which could be politically challenging.

Five Republican senators have proposed an amendment that would postpone the repeal deadline until March 3, giving legislators enough time to draw up a replacement plan to vote on simultaneously. There is division among Republicans about that idea and Republican leaders haven't committed to allowing a vote on it.

Sen. Bob Corker, R-Tennessee, is one of the members sponsoring that amendment. He said about Trump's accelerated timeline: "I'm looking forward to hearing how they would anticipate that occurring."
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11B4V

"there's a long tradition of insulting people we disagree with here, and I'll be damned if I listen to your entreaties otherwise."-OVB

"Obviously not a Berkut-commanded armored column.  They're not all brewing."- CdM

"We've reached one of our phase lines after the firefight and it smells bad—meaning it's a little bit suspicious... Could be an amb—".

LaCroix

QuoteSen. John Thune, R-South Dakota, said that Trump's public pronouncements and apparent lack of understanding of the complexities of how Congress works - and the difficulty in passing legislation so quickly - are complicating their efforts.

:lol:

frunk

This would all be very funny if I wasn't living on this planet.

Monoriu

I actually find Trump's position reasonable.  If a political party has called for a major piece of legislation to be replaced for 6, 7 years, one would imagine that they have a ready replacement that could be enacted as soon as they get into power.  It is puzzling that it isn't the case here. 

CountDeMoney

Quote from: LaCroix on January 10, 2017, 07:56:18 PM
QuoteSen. John Thune, R-South Dakota, said that Trump's public pronouncements and apparent lack of understanding of the complexities of how Congress works - and the difficulty in passing legislation so quickly - are complicating their efforts.

:lol:

You know, it's going to be the Republicans that eventually impeach Trump, because he's going to get in the way of their legislative agenda a little too often.  They're going to bounce him, his little shit son-in-law and the rest of the goofball crew, and let Pence and Ryan take care of business.

DGuller

Trump sure does a good job normalizing Pence.  He better be careful and not leave him unpurged for too long.

LaCroix

Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 10, 2017, 08:08:21 PMYou know, it's going to be the Republicans that eventually impeach Trump, because he's going to get in the way of their legislative agenda a little too often.  They're going to bounce him, his little shit son-in-law and the rest of the goofball crew, and let Pence and Ryan take care of business.

I'll laugh if within a year languish largely supports trump because of things like this

11B4V

Quote from: Monoriu on January 10, 2017, 08:07:52 PM
I actually find Trump's position reasonable.  If a political party has called for a major piece of legislation to be replaced for 6, 7 years, one would imagine that they have a ready replacement that could be enacted as soon as they get into power.  It is puzzling that it isn't the case here.

Really. You haven't been paying attention. They been frothing at this chance since it came out. They don't have shit to replace it. And given a chance they would erase everything the darkie did. That's they're mindset.
"there's a long tradition of insulting people we disagree with here, and I'll be damned if I listen to your entreaties otherwise."-OVB

"Obviously not a Berkut-commanded armored column.  They're not all brewing."- CdM

"We've reached one of our phase lines after the firefight and it smells bad—meaning it's a little bit suspicious... Could be an amb—".

CountDeMoney

Quote from: LaCroix on January 10, 2017, 08:33:23 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 10, 2017, 08:08:21 PMYou know, it's going to be the Republicans that eventually impeach Trump, because he's going to get in the way of their legislative agenda a little too often.  They're going to bounce him, his little shit son-in-law and the rest of the goofball crew, and let Pence and Ryan take care of business.

I'll laugh if within a year languish largely supports trump because of things like this

Pence may be a fundie fruitcake woman hater straight out of Hawthorne, but I trust him with US foreign policy and the bomb more than I do Trump, Flynn and the Bond Villain.  Fuck, I'll root on the impeachment.

Ed Anger

Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 10, 2017, 08:40:07 PM
Quote from: LaCroix on January 10, 2017, 08:33:23 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 10, 2017, 08:08:21 PMYou know, it's going to be the Republicans that eventually impeach Trump, because he's going to get in the way of their legislative agenda a little too often.  They're going to bounce him, his little shit son-in-law and the rest of the goofball crew, and let Pence and Ryan take care of business.

I'll laugh if within a year languish largely supports trump because of things like this

Pence may be a fundie fruitcake woman hater straight out of Hawthorne, but I trust him with US foreign policy and the bomb more than I do Trump, Flynn and the Bond Villain.  Fuck, I'll root on the impeachment.

Plus he looks like Frank Drebin.
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CountDeMoney

Quote from: Ed Anger on January 10, 2017, 08:41:10 PM
Plus he looks like Frank Drebin.

Not even, man.



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Ed Anger

Stay Alive...Let the Man Drive

11B4V

That's actually pretty funny
"there's a long tradition of insulting people we disagree with here, and I'll be damned if I listen to your entreaties otherwise."-OVB

"Obviously not a Berkut-commanded armored column.  They're not all brewing."- CdM

"We've reached one of our phase lines after the firefight and it smells bad—meaning it's a little bit suspicious... Could be an amb—".

CountDeMoney

Quote from: Ed Anger on January 10, 2017, 08:49:14 PM
Such filth.  :mad:

Heh, little white boy and little brown boy, it's like surf 'n turf ONLY NOT