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Whither Obamacare?

Started by Jacob, January 05, 2017, 01:25:36 AM

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What will the GOP do to Obamacare?

There will be much sturm und drang, but ultimately no concrete action will be taken. It'll still be Obamacare.
5 (13.2%)
They'll attempt to rebrand it and own it, changing a few details, but otherwise leaving it in place.
6 (15.8%)
They'll replace it with something terrific that provides better coverage and cheaper too for the populace.
2 (5.3%)
They'll repeal it without a replacement, leaving large number of Americans without coverage for a significant period of time, perhaps forever.
17 (44.7%)
They'll repeal it with a replacement that screws over some people, but still covers some people significantly and call that an improvement.
7 (18.4%)
Some other outcome.
1 (2.6%)

Total Members Voted: 38

garbon

Quote from: grumbler on March 25, 2017, 05:04:27 PM
Quote from: Eddie Teach on March 25, 2017, 01:29:54 PM
He sponsored quite a few amendments to bills though.

Nothing meaningful, though.

Hey he says he is going to propose a 'medicare for all' bill in a few weeks that he knows won't get passed.
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."

I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

Oexmelin

Bernie (or perhaps rather, Bernie's organization) is involved in grassroots movements.

Not that anyone on Languish would know.
Que le grand cric me croque !

Razgovory

Quote from: Oexmelin on March 26, 2017, 03:29:33 PM
Bernie (or perhaps rather, Bernie's organization) is involved in grassroots movements.

Not that anyone on Languish would know.

Well, that's nice. Which side is he supporting now?
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

CountDeMoney

We've got lots of grass here in the People's Republic of Maryland.  I'll let you know if I see any of this BernieTurf you're talking about.

garbon

Quote from: Oexmelin on March 26, 2017, 03:29:33 PM
Bernie (or perhaps rather, Bernie's organization) is involved in grassroots movements.

Not that anyone on Languish would know.

If they are accomplishing nothing, what difference does it make?
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."

I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

grumbler

Quote from: garbon on March 26, 2017, 03:54:31 PM
If they are accomplishing nothing, what difference does it make?

To be fair, they've hardly had any time to accomplish anything.

So far, Our Revolution is a pretty tiny organization, but, if it can be more pragmatic than Sanders has been historically, it could make a difference in time.
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

Bayraktar!

garbon

Then Oex can sneer at us about Bernie's org's accomplishments when they happen.
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."

I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

Razgovory

Meanwhile, we can sneer at the Bernie bros for our current situation.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Oexmelin

Quote from: garbon on March 26, 2017, 05:07:37 PM
Then Oex can sneer at us about Bernie's org's accomplishments when they happen.

I'll leave the sneering to you, don't want to get on your schtick. My little aside was just that Languish is not a "grassroots"-friendly forum, and, to the extent that we have political activists, it's BarristerBoy, who is conservative, and Mihali, who rarely shows up now.  A lot prefers to sneer at any sort of political engagement or passion.  Sometimes, for good reason. But many times, for bad reasons too.

I don't know if they will accomplish anything. But accomplishing and doing are two different things. And when it comes to grassroots movement, it will take more than a few months to both change the internal dynamics of the Democrats, and give a voice to amorphous left wing constituencies the Democrats have retreated from in the last decades or so. 
Que le grand cric me croque !

Admiral Yi

Hey! I emailed my senator!  :mad:

Admiral Yi

And I talked to at least 15 people before the election about who to vote for.  :ultra:

Oexmelin

:lol:

Though I appreciate the sentiment, that is supposed to be the low bar for political belonging in a democratic polity. Not the definition of "grassroot movement".
Que le grand cric me croque !

Grinning_Colossus

#417
I gave a lecture in Sri Lanka on the election and guaranteed the crowd that Hillary Clinton would win.
Quis futuit ipsos fututores?

celedhring

My brother is a pretty damn involved political activist. They actually got some rather big wins at local level.

Me... not at all.  :glare:

Funnily, I'm probably the most extremist of the two.

Razgovory

I've worked on political campaigns.  I just don't like Bernie or is insufferable followers.  If I have to go socialist, I'll get comrade Mauser and shoot counter-revolutionaries.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017