CIA: Senate briefed in September on Russian efforts to deliver a Trump victory

[Valmy]

Hey the French Right said they would prefer to be ruled by Hitler than Blum. And then they went out and made sure they were.

[Admiral Yi]

Where is that Putin unfavorability graph?

[Habbaku]

Where is that Putin unfavorability graph?

[grumbler]

Jesus fucking christ you're a tiresome old man.

But Jesus fucking Christ is a god, so no matter.   

I do appreciate you devolving into ad hom arguments, though.  It kind of makes it clear how devoid of intellectual content your entire argument was.

[grumbler]

That's why there was a need to create the Central Intelligence Agency to coordinate information sharing between various agencies and then create Homeland Security to coordinate information sharing between the agency responsible for this and other intelligence agencies.

The CIA was created to coordinate intel collection and provide intel analysis for top-level decision-makers.  It also absorbed the clandestine humint and covert operations activities of the OSS.

NSA was created to perform technical intelligence collection.

DHS was created to coordinate defensive anti-terrorist activities.   It's not an intel agency.

[grumbler]

Does this mean when the a given set of intelligence arrives, it is interpreted as follows:

Army Intelligence: "there is a need to control the situation on the ground"
Air Force Intelligence: "tactical bombing can effectively reduce the threat"
Naval Intelligence: "in a world such as this, a 10 carrier navy is essential"
Homeland Security Intelligence: "TSA officials need more scanners to see what people would look like naked in order to handle this threat"

Since none of those are intelligence interpretations, no.

[grumbler]

Why not have the number that the people who actually do the work think is appropriate?

And how many do those people actually think is appropriate?

Eighteen or so.

[Admiral Yi]

Thanks Haiku.

The point I wanted to make is while that graph does make Republicans look like retards, it doesn't make Democrats look all that good either.

[grumbler]

Hey the French Right said they would prefer to be ruled by Hitler than Blum. And then they went out and made sure they were.

That's an excellent analogy, IMO.

[Valmy]

Thanks Haiku.

The point I wanted to make is while that graph does make Republicans look like retards, it doesn't make Democrats look all that good either.

The issue these days is not that the Democrats are great, they are terrible. The problem is the Republicans are worse.

[Habbaku]

Thanks Haiku.

The point I wanted to make is while that graph does make Republicans look like retards, it doesn't make Democrats look all that good either.

The issue these days is not that the Democrats are great, they are terrible. The problem is the Republicans are worse.

  The Republicans are measurably worse on this.  I don't think we would have seen something similar to a 20-30 point bump for a Putin-like figure if Hillary won.  That a large segment (call it 40%) of Republicans are willing to turn on a dime on an issue like approving of a strongman like Putin who is actually, actively trying to harm our country is far more worrying than the modest amount of useful idiot Democrats that approve of Putin's actions.

[CountDeMoney]

  The Republicans are measurably worse on this.  I don't think we would have seen something similar to a 20-30 point bump for a Putin-like figure if Hillary won.  That a large segment (call it 40%) of Republicans are willing to turn on a dime on an issue like approving of a strongman like Putin who is actually, actively trying to harm our country is far more worrying than the modest amount of useful idiot Democrats that approve of Putin's actions.

My dad is 72 years old, a die-hard Nixonian who remembers Sputnik, thought it was Game Over during the Cuban Missile Crisis, approved of Ronald Reagan leaning into the Soviet Union event to the point of superpower conflict, and who never expected to see the Berlin Wall come down in his lifetime. 

Just cannot fathom how people--and Republicans, of all people--can give such high approval ratings for a thug gangster and chauvinistic strongman like Putin, formerly of the KGB.   

[citizen k]

Just cannot fathom how people--and Republicans, of all people--can give such high approval ratings for a thug gangster and chauvinistic strongman like Putin, formerly of the KGB.   

[Jacob]

That's pretty dumb, even with a attached.

I mean, I know meme-warfare has an impact but it's still stupid.

[CountDeMoney]

And yet, no one ever seems to remember Dubya looking into his eyes and seeing Putin's soul.