CIA: Senate briefed in September on Russian efforts to deliver a Trump victory

[grumbler]

Yes, the US Navy, for instance, should wait for their intel to arrive in 4 to 6 weeks from another agency instead of collecting it themselves.

Naval intelligence (and, indeed, most us "intelligence agencies") uses almost entirely centrally collected info, and just interprets it in ways meaningful to its customers.

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN

Yes, your point was the point that Avoid the Facts Teach is probably ignorant of, or at least doesn't care about because the bumper-sticker thinking is so much easier to follow:  there are different agencies because there are different customers, and what one agency is good at analyzing isn't going to be very satisfactory to another customer that needs something else analyzed.  The analyst who understands the implications of a satellite photo of a submarine propeller isn't going to be of much use to a customer who wants to know the range of an ISIS technical.  Different agencies have different "menus' to choose from.

But that comparison isn't even remotely comparable, according to Intel Expert Eddie. 

[Eddie Teach]

Jesus fucking christ you're a tiresome old man.

[CountDeMoney]

Jesus fucking christ you're a tiresome old man.

[viper37]

Yes, your point was the point that Avoid the Facts Teach is probably ignorant of, or at least doesn't care about because the bumper-sticker thinking is so much easier to follow:  there are different agencies because there are different customers, and what one agency is good at analyzing isn't going to be very satisfactory to another customer that needs something else analyzed.  The analyst who understands the implications of a satellite photo of a submarine propeller isn't going to be of much use to a customer who wants to know the range of an ISIS technical.  Different agencies have different "menus' to choose from.

But that comparison isn't even remotely comparable, according to Intel Expert Eddie. 

That's why there was a need to create the Central Intelligence Agency to coordinate information sharing between various agencies and then create Homeland Security to coordinate information sharing between the agency responsible for this and other intelligence agencies.

[viper37]

Yes, the US Navy, for instance, should wait for their intel to arrive in 4 to 6 weeks from another agency instead of collecting it themselves.

Why just stop there?  Why should the US Navy share intel with the US Marines Corps?  They should gather and analyse their own information.  The Marines don't always deploy from ships, nowadays.

If the Navy, the Air Force and the Army need seperate intelligence agencies, why shouldn't it be more seperated since it's the proper way to go?  And also, why not a specific agency to deal with all US Navy aircraft business? An aviator is not a sailor, even if he's onboard a ship, after all.

Why stop at 17 since they have different clients with different needs?  Why not 21? 35?

[Berkut]

Why not have the number that the people who actually do the work think is appropriate?

[CountDeMoney]

Somebody should get on this right away.

[The Minsky Moment]

Somebody should get on this right away.

One isn't enough.  We need an agency to analyze it.

[Tonitrus]

There is quite a lot of overlap in many of those agencies, primarily with the ones under the DoD...and many of them work pretty well together (in my experience).  But naturally, as in all human endeavors, problems can still exist.

[alfred russel]

Naval intelligence (and, indeed, most us "intelligence agencies") uses almost entirely centrally collected info, and just interprets it in ways meaningful to its customers.

Does this mean when the a given set of intelligence arrives, it is interpreted as follows:

Army Intelligence: "there is a need to control the situation on the ground"
Air Force Intelligence: "tactical bombing can effectively reduce the threat"
Naval Intelligence: "in a world such as this, a 10 carrier navy is essential"
Homeland Security Intelligence: "TSA officials need more scanners to see what people would look like naked in order to handle this threat"

[dps]

Why not have the number that the people who actually do the work think is appropriate?

And how many do those people actually think is appropriate?

[CountDeMoney]

In an interview with NPR's Steve Inskeep that will air Friday on Morning Edition, Obama said, "I think there is no doubt that when any foreign government tries to impact the integrity of our elections ... we need to take action. And we will — at a time and place of our own choosing. Some of it may be explicit and publicized; some of it may not be."

You better hurry the fuck up then, man.  We've got 30 days, and a lot of people have use-it-or-lose-it vacation time to burn up.

[11B4V]

In an interview with NPR's Steve Inskeep that will air Friday on Morning Edition, Obama said, "I think there is no doubt that when any foreign government tries to impact the integrity of our elections ... we need to take action. And we will — at a time and place of our own choosing. Some of it may be explicit and publicized; some of it may not be."

You better hurry the fuck up then, man.  We've got 30 days, and a lot of people have use-it-or-lose-it vacation time to zburn up.

USE OR LOSE MAN

[jimmy olsen]

Christ

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/russian-hack-almost-brought-the-u-s-military-to-its-knees/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab6a&linkId=32446140

By/ David Martin/ CBS News/ December 15, 2016, 6:54 PM

Russian hack almost brought the U.S. military to its knees
Last Updated Dec 15, 2016 7:01 PM EST

Russian hackers struck at the heart of the U.S. military in August 2015 by seizing the e-mail system used by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, CBS News has learned.

Then-Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Martin Dempsey was alerted to the attack by an early-morning phone call from the Director of the National Security Agency, Admiral Mike Rogers.

Now retired, Dempsey told CBS News in an exclusive interview that the attack was proceeding at an alarming speed. Within an hour, hackers had seized control of the unclassified e-mail system used by the Pentagon's Joint Staff, the organization of some 3,500 military officers and civilians who work for the Chairman.

In that time, the hackers seized the computer credentials of Dempsey and hundreds of other senior officers -- the passwords and electronic signatures they used to sign on to the network. The only way to stop the attack was to take the network down.

The attack, which officials now blame on Russia, began with 30,000 e-mails sent to a West Coast university. Of those 30,000, four were forwarded to members of the Joint Staff and one was opened -- allowing the hackers in. Since it was an unclassified network, the attack had no real intelligence value.

It was not spying, but a full-on assault whose only apparent purpose was to cause damage and force the Pentagon to replace both hardware and software, which took about two weeks to accomplish.

The motive for the attack was believed to be Russian anger at economic sanctions orchestrated by the Obama administration in response to Vladimir Putin's annexation of Crimea and interference in Ukraine.

Cyber attacks have come to be known as weapons of mass disruption, and it is now clear that Russia has used them not just to meddle in U.S. elections -- but to do harm to the American military.

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[Ideologue]

In an interview with NPR's Steve Inskeep that will air Friday on Morning Edition, Obama said, "I think there is no doubt that when any foreign government tries to impact the integrity of our elections ... we need to take action. And we will — at a time and place of our own choosing. Some of it may be explicit and publicized; some of it may not be."

You better hurry the fuck up then, man.  We've got 30 days, and a lot of people have use-it-or-lose-it vacation time to burn up.

TURN YOUR KEY SIR