What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

[Admiral Yi]

Agreed, there isn't. I was just commenting on the weird (to me) juxtaposition. Sorry, I think I was being kind of an asshole.

All good.

[Barrister]

I think the more apt comparisons are going to be European nations under Nazi occupation (which varied a fair bit), and Fenian and IRA resistance to British rule.

I mean - kind-of sort-of...

Under Nazi occupation there was still an ongoing war. The Polish or French governments in exile were receiving active support from the Allies.

IRA/Fenians - this was a 19th and early 20th century nationalist struggle for a region and country that had been under British rule for generations.  It's really hard to make an analogy to the 21st century.


(and although this should barely need to be said - I do not want the USA to invade my country)

[Razgovory]

So look - as much as it warms the cockles of my Canuckistani heart to imagine a Red Dawn-style insurgency of hockey players taking to the mountains to fight the American invaders...

Iraq or Afghanistan barely had functioning governments prior to the US invasion.  As such most of the inhabitants had very little positive interactions with their own government, and could thus survive almost entirely outside of the official public sphere.

Canada is not Iraq or Afghanistan.  We have a highly advanced government sector.  People rely on schools, hospitals almost daily.

The US could occupy Ottawa, Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal, Calgary within 24 hours.  If they walked in and said "look, all government salaries will be paid, things will continue as normal" - I kind of think Canadians will go along with that.

There may well be civil disobedience and low grade resistance.  Maybe there's a Canadian Government-in-exile in London or Paris, but the idea of some massive Iraqi-level insurgency seems unfortunately fanciful.

I think the more apt comparisons are going to be European nations under Nazi occupation (which varied a fair bit), and Fenian and IRA resistance to British rule.

Right.  I was thinking along the lines of Denmark.

[Jacob]

I mean - kind-of sort-of...

Under Nazi occupation there was still an ongoing war. The Polish or French governments in exile were receiving active support from the Allies.

IRA/Fenians - this was a 19th and early 20th century nationalist struggle for a region and country that had been under British rule for generations.  It's really hard to make an analogy to the 21st century.


(and although this should barely need to be said - I do not want the USA to invade my country)

Hopefully we won't ever find out.

And obviously it will be its own thing, because nothing quite like it has happened.

[grumbler]

Sort of like the defund the police and from the river to the sea explainers.

Such as?

It seems to me that the Defund the Police explainers are a lot like the Death to DEI explainers.  Every explainer seems to have a different interpretation of what the threat is and what the response is, because the concepts are so amorphous (the Death to DEI explainers, for instance, do not object to diversity, or equity, or inclusiveness, just to DEI).

The Trump explainers have

[viper37]

What else is left on the right than Trump? Either he and his nihilistic destruction works or the Right of politics of the last decade or two will have been proven as a highly damaging dead end.

In the US?  Nothing organized.

Those who oppose Trump are labelled RINO and that's it.  They try to fund grassroot movements to oppose him, but Dems don't really want to associate with them since they are Republicans, and conservatives aren't listening.

Support for Trump remain very high on the right.  He has lot maybe 2-3% of the public favor despite the damage being done, despite the townhall meetings.

[The Minsky Moment]

The US could occupy Ottawa, Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal, Calgary within 24 hours.  If they walked in and said "look, all government salaries will be paid, things will continue as normal" - I kind of think Canadians will go along with that.

Well sure if America is willing and able to pay all the expenses of the Canadian government, I'm sure folks will take the money.  But in that scenario, it is still a Canadian government operating under Canadian laws, and presumably taking orders from a Canadian leader because why wouldn't they. There would be American troops and American flags flying but Americans would be paying for Canadian government functions while Canadians either stop paying taxes or send them to their government in exile.

If the USA wanted Canada to be an American territory they would have to set up proper occupation governments in every province and city; enforce their writ and collect their taxes.  These guys can't even run the American government properly even though they inherited a well-functioning administration as of a couple of months ago.  Handling the project of converting a vast foreign territory to US administration is far beyond their abilities.

[dist]

Saw that Trump repeated during his disgusting Tesla infomercial that he wants to label people boycotting and demonstrating in front of Tesla's dealerships and factories as "domestic terrorists".

Paired with what his administrations and ICE are trying to do Mahmoud Khalil, which they are trying to deport and have his Green Card revoke under the pretense that his "activities in the United States would have potentially serious adverse foreign policy consequences" (with Rubio's help), this is quite shilling news.

[Syt]

Saw that Trump repeated during his disgusting Tesla infomercial that he wants to label people boycotting and demonstrating in front of Tesla's dealerships and factories as "domestic terrorists".

Paired with what his administrations and ICE are trying to do Mahmoud Khalil, which they are trying to deport and have his Green Card revoke under the pretense that his "activities in the United States would have potentially serious adverse foreign policy consequences" (with Rubio's help), this is quite shilling news.