What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

[Barrister]

Just because you don't like both A and B doesn't mean that A and B are the same thing.  Trump is a nationalist, but he doesn't seem to be a Christian Nationalist.  He allies with them, but they have gotten the short end of the stick so far.  A better case could be made for the mild-mannered speaker of the House.  The other major ones include Marjorie Taylor Greene and Michael Flynn.  Greene has been conspicuously snubbed by Trump, and Flynn doesn't appear to be getting any administration jobs.

"Christian nationalist" seems to just be a code word for "white supremacist" though

[HVC]

Which is weird, because there are a whole bunch (majority?) of Christians who aren't white.

[Sheilbh]

Which is weird, because there are a whole bunch (majority?) of Christians who aren't white.

And indeed Trump won more of those voters than he did last time.

[Barrister]

Which is weird, because there are a whole bunch (majority?) of Christians who aren't white.

The whole definition of "white" has changed over time though.

Back in the day people like Portuguese or Ukrainians weren't "white" - not in the same way that WASPS were.  But then as we started to get more immigration from developing countries, suddenly those southern Europeans counted as white.

There was also a famous US court case - Dow v United States from 1915 - which found that Syrian George Dow was "white"  (I can't find reference to whether he was Christian or Muslim).

OF course nowadays being a white nationalist, by any definition of whiteness, is thought to be gross.  So instead it's Christian nationalist.  Adherents will put up with Latin Americans, or even Philippinos or or Chinese Christians, as being part of the in-group, if it means we keep out Muslims or Indians.

(as so often happens - black Christians are their own separate factor.  Black christians, even evangelical black christians, would not typically be considered as part of Christian nationalists_

[HVC]

Yeah, my family was only allowed to immigrate to Australia in the late 60s when they let non-whites move because they weren't considered white enough

[The Minsky Moment]

"Christian nationalist" is just an absurdity, like "chaste prostitute".

The existence of the term is just further symptomatic of the reality of an America that is a pagan majority assuming a Christian "identity" by taking on some of the terminology and external manifestations of Christianity.

[mongers]

This is the first time he's acting on the fundamentalist Christian nationalist agenda.  Last time he was just ranting and raving.

There is real damage being done to your country from day one. It is very different this time.

Exactly.  Last time he had to deal with some level of adult supervision that was sensitive to the norms, and this threw up speedbumps that limited the damage.  This time he's surrounded by sycophants and a cadre with an agenda, neither of which gives a shit about norms.  This seems like the beginning of what was feared when the Project 2025 material came out.  Now I think it's a question of how bad it can get and how much it can be effectively resisted.

One feature of the personnel moves Trump has been making so far (government-wide RTO, freezing hiring, scrapping DEI) is that it will drive people off who aren't going to get with the larger program.  It's a terrible way to reduce headcount if you actually care about having competent civil servants, but it's a great way to do it if you care about having loyal (to your agenda) civil servants.  The people quoted in that article are the most likely to resist the Project 2025 agenda, and now the least likely to still be in government in a few months.

This.

[Barrister]

"Christian nationalist" is just an absurdity, like "chaste prostitute".

The existence of the term is just further symptomatic of the reality of an America that is a pagan majority assuming a Christian "identity" by taking on some of the terminology and external manifestations of Christianity.

So on the one hand I agree - the "Christian nationalist" crowd seems to have nothing to do with the teachings of Jesus Christ.

But on the other hand - that's what they call themselves. Arguing over definitions and labels doesn't seem to get us any further ahead.

[Razgovory]

Just because you don't like both A and B doesn't mean that A and B are the same thing.  Trump is a nationalist, but he doesn't seem to be a Christian Nationalist.  He allies with them, but they have gotten the short end of the stick so far.  A better case could be made for the mild-mannered speaker of the House.  The other major ones include Marjorie Taylor Greene and Michael Flynn.  Greene has been conspicuously snubbed by Trump, and Flynn doesn't appear to be getting any administration jobs.

"Christian nationalist" seems to just be a code word for "white supremacist" though

This is likely, but is it being used as codeword by the Christian Nationalists themselves or their opponents? 

[The Minsky Moment]

But on the other hand - that's what they call themselves. Arguing over definitions and labels doesn't seem to get us any further ahead.

Normally I agree, but this particular label has great symbolic weight and power, based on the prestige of the moral message, a message that is antithetical to the creed of the "Christian Nationalists".

[Razgovory]

Honestly, I am much, much more concerned about Trump cutting Medicaid, without which I can't get my medications, than whether or not the 10 commandments are on the wall.

[crazy canuck]

But on the other hand - that's what they call themselves. Arguing over definitions and labels doesn't seem to get us any further ahead.

Normally I agree, but this particular label has great symbolic weight and power, based on the prestige of the moral message, a message that is antithetical to the creed of the "Christian Nationalists".

Ok, but again to BB's point, that is how they have labelled themselves. And that label will become synonymous with their actions.

[Grey Fox]

My side of the Quebec internet is pretty fed up with Americans and seems poise to throw them out of the house. To be replaced by China. Especially when it comes to cars.

Good Job Trump.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

My side of the Quebec internet is pretty fed up with Americans and seems poise to throw them out of the house. To be replaced by China. Especially when it comes to cars.

Good Job Trump.

cutting of your nose to spite your face. Are these people oblivious to the autocratic hellhole the CCP is?

[Grey Fox]

Oblivious, no. They are in the lashing out phase so right now they don't care.