What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

[Sheilbh]

Which is weird, because there are a whole bunch (majority?) of Christians who aren't white.

And indeed Trump won more of those voters than he did last time.

[Barrister]

Which is weird, because there are a whole bunch (majority?) of Christians who aren't white.

The whole definition of "white" has changed over time though.

Back in the day people like Portuguese or Ukrainians weren't "white" - not in the same way that WASPS were.  But then as we started to get more immigration from developing countries, suddenly those southern Europeans counted as white.

There was also a famous US court case - Dow v United States from 1915 - which found that Syrian George Dow was "white"  (I can't find reference to whether he was Christian or Muslim).

OF course nowadays being a white nationalist, by any definition of whiteness, is thought to be gross.  So instead it's Christian nationalist.  Adherents will put up with Latin Americans, or even Philippinos or or Chinese Christians, as being part of the in-group, if it means we keep out Muslims or Indians.

(as so often happens - black Christians are their own separate factor.  Black christians, even evangelical black christians, would not typically be considered as part of Christian nationalists_

[HVC]

Yeah, my family was only allowed to immigrate to Australia in the late 60s when they let non-whites move because they weren't considered white enough

[The Minsky Moment]

"Christian nationalist" is just an absurdity, like "chaste prostitute".

The existence of the term is just further symptomatic of the reality of an America that is a pagan majority assuming a Christian "identity" by taking on some of the terminology and external manifestations of Christianity.

[Barrister]

"Christian nationalist" is just an absurdity, like "chaste prostitute".

The existence of the term is just further symptomatic of the reality of an America that is a pagan majority assuming a Christian "identity" by taking on some of the terminology and external manifestations of Christianity.

So on the one hand I agree - the "Christian nationalist" crowd seems to have nothing to do with the teachings of Jesus Christ.

But on the other hand - that's what they call themselves. Arguing over definitions and labels doesn't seem to get us any further ahead.

[Razgovory]

Just because you don't like both A and B doesn't mean that A and B are the same thing.  Trump is a nationalist, but he doesn't seem to be a Christian Nationalist.  He allies with them, but they have gotten the short end of the stick so far.  A better case could be made for the mild-mannered speaker of the House.  The other major ones include Marjorie Taylor Greene and Michael Flynn.  Greene has been conspicuously snubbed by Trump, and Flynn doesn't appear to be getting any administration jobs.

"Christian nationalist" seems to just be a code word for "white supremacist" though

This is likely, but is it being used as codeword by the Christian Nationalists themselves or their opponents? 

[The Minsky Moment]

But on the other hand - that's what they call themselves. Arguing over definitions and labels doesn't seem to get us any further ahead.

Normally I agree, but this particular label has great symbolic weight and power, based on the prestige of the moral message, a message that is antithetical to the creed of the "Christian Nationalists".

[Razgovory]

Honestly, I am much, much more concerned about Trump cutting Medicaid, without which I can't get my medications, than whether or not the 10 commandments are on the wall.

[crazy canuck]

But on the other hand - that's what they call themselves. Arguing over definitions and labels doesn't seem to get us any further ahead.

Normally I agree, but this particular label has great symbolic weight and power, based on the prestige of the moral message, a message that is antithetical to the creed of the "Christian Nationalists".

Ok, but again to BB's point, that is how they have labelled themselves. And that label will become synonymous with their actions.

[Grey Fox]

My side of the Quebec internet is pretty fed up with Americans and seems poise to throw them out of the house. To be replaced by China. Especially when it comes to cars.

Good Job Trump.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

My side of the Quebec internet is pretty fed up with Americans and seems poise to throw them out of the house. To be replaced by China. Especially when it comes to cars.

Good Job Trump.

cutting of your nose to spite your face. Are these people oblivious to the autocratic hellhole the CCP is?

[Grey Fox]

Oblivious, no. They are in the lashing out phase so right now they don't care.

[crazy canuck]

My side of the Quebec internet is pretty fed up with Americans and seems poise to throw them out of the house. To be replaced by China. Especially when it comes to cars.

Good Job Trump.

Yeah, that is a real concern of mine. The Americans are going to make moving closer the China much more appealing to the average Canadian than would have been the case if Trump had not won.

[Barrister]

That is definitely the stupidity of Trump.

"Throwing our lot in with China" is a bad idea and would be bad for Canada.  I seem to recall Australia tried for a little while but realized China just expected to be able to call all the shots.

But if USA is determined to be our enemy then some are going to see a China pivot as our only solution.

[Admiral Yi]

Collins will not vote for Hegspeth and the FOP is pissed about the J6 pardons.