What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

[Baron von Schtinkenbutt]

Overview of Day 1 Executive Orders:

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/01/20/politics/executive-actions-trump-day-1/index.html

Now, when you have a change of government it's quite common that the new government will want to undo (some of) the policies of their opopnents. However, the US seems kind of unique among democracies in how it flip-flops through executive orders of the President (in parliamentary systems you would have to amend/repeal laws through parliament process which is often more difficult and may require more compromise).

Especially with joining/leaving international agreements I think it can seriously harm trust in the US as a reliable member of those structures. "We're in!" "We're out!" "We're in again!"

Yeah, most of this stuff would require parlamentary action over here. Foreign treaties of any kind - including our BRICS Paris/WHO membership - are codified into law.

But the US seems to be going through an executive takeover phase. Probably in part because of party politics breaking down and the executive having to plug in the gaps - with the result that changes in the executive bring complete 180º in a lot of policy.

The Imperial Presidency has been slowly building over the past century.  Trump is trying to take it to new heights.  Partisan gridlock has certainly accelerated it over the past couple decades, though.  My hope is that if the country survives Trump 2 and its aftermath that the Imperial Presidency does not.  I think that's major wishful thinking on my part though.

For what it's worth, the legality of many of these executive orders is in question, and several states have already sued over the birthright citizenship one.

[viper37]

Other Biden-era orders revoked by Trump on Monday included actions that . . . applied sanctions on Jewish settlers in the West Bank

The important thing is to punish Biden for being too pro-Isreal.  I'm sure it will work out all great for Palestinians.

With that Nazi salute right there on day 1 of Trump's presidency, there's no doubt that Jewish Americans feel reassured of living under an administration determined to preserve their security and their freedom, just as Otto predicted.

Fortunately, that pro-Palestinian Harris wasn't elected, so American citizens of Jewish confession will only have to contend with a Republican militia of enraged neo-nazis now walking the streets with impunity knowing the courts can't touch them.

Seriously, prepare your contingency plans right now, even if in NY.

Dude, people didn't go to the polls because Harris was seen as too pro-Israel.  I have seen many, many Facebook profiles that had the words "I won't vote for genocide" in their picture.  The Muslim vote either went Trump or Jill Stein.  This is victory for you.

Look at your pal Otto's reasoning for voting Trump.

Everyone has different reasons for voting Trump.  Some on the left voted for Trump or stayed home to punish the Dems for not being leftist enough.  If some of them are recent immigrants to the US and have the sligthest irregularity in their documentation, I hope they rot in a detentation camp awaiting deportation.

For the others, I hope they lose all health insurence coverage.

[frunk]

I've been watching Marx Brothers movies to avoid some but not all of the news.  On Horsefeathers right now.  Staying away from Duck Soup for now, it cuts a bit too close to home.

[Syt]

I've been watching Marx Brothers movies to avoid some but not all of the news.  On Horsefeathers right now.  Staying away from Duck Soup for now, it cuts a bit too close to home.

Bob's Burgers for me. Always weird, but also wholesome.

[Sheilbh]

Trump says Spain is part of BRICS. This is gonna be a long 4 years.

BRICS is bullshit anyway. Should just be IC.

The countries attending BRICS now is more than BRICS. It's also a larger share of global GDP than the G7.

[Zanza]

The countries attending BRICS now is more than BRICS. It's also a larger share of global GDP than the G7.

Not in nominal terms. And G7 is typically attended by more countries as well and the EU is a permanent guest.

And the only shared topic of BRICS is that all of them dislike "the West".

[Neil]

Trump says Spain is part of BRICS. This is gonna be a long 4 years.

BRICS is bullshit anyway. Should just be IC.

The countries attending BRICS now is more than BRICS. It's also a larger share of global GDP than the G7.

While that might be true, they also don't really have any kind of ability to make unified decisions or declarations, nor are they a coherent bloc. 

[Baron von Schtinkenbutt]

The countries attending BRICS now is more than BRICS. It's also a larger share of global GDP than the G7.

To be fair, using PPP numbers IC alone almost equal the G7 (and there were 37 attendees at the last BRICS summit, not counting the UN but counting Palestine).

[Sheilbh]

Not in nominal terms. And G7 is typically attended by more countries as well and the EU is a permanent guest.

Fair - although that's the reason why responding to the global financial crisis required the invention of the G20

And the only shared topic of BRICS is that all of them dislike "the West".

Not sure that's a fair description of the UAE or Egypt - far less applicant states like Nigeria or Turkey. Or, if it is, we might as well give in.

But another way of framing it is that they are revisionist - but the G7 represented, I think 50% of global GDP and two thirds of world industrial production in 1990. It's now about a third on both - I think there's a case for revision.

Edit: This is, incidentally, why I think the West needs its own theory of development/growth and how those developing economies can be incorporated into the West's structures/world order. Because I think there are alternatives on development and growth, and the rest of the world will just look to, where necessary build their own structures.

[Valmy]

Trump says Spain is part of BRICS. This is gonna be a long 4 years.

BRICS is bullshit anyway. Should just be IC.

The countries attending BRICS now is more than BRICS. It's also a larger share of global GDP than the G7.

I just meant the idea that those five countries represent some kind of emerging anything is stupid. China and India might. And even then China has already emerged. Saying the #1 or #2 biggest economy in the world is some kind of future thing is rather absurd.

If BRICS doesn't mean Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa then its not BRICS but something else.

[Sheilbh]

I just meant the idea that those five countries represent some kind of emerging anything is stupid. China and India might.

If BRICS doesn't mean Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa then its not BRICS but something else.

They've been accepting members. Egypt, Indonesia, UAE, maybe Iran are in. I think Turkey, Nigeria and others are in stages of applying.

I think it is legit becoming more than just a slogan by Goldman Sachs.

Edit: And they still call it BRICS - HQ in China I think.

[Razgovory]

Look at your pal Otto's reasoning for voting Trump.

Everyone has different reasons for voting Trump.  Some on the left voted for Trump or stayed home to punish the Dems for not being leftist enough.  If some of them are recent immigrants to the US and have the sligthest irregularity in their documentation, I hope they rot in a detentation camp awaiting deportation.

For the others, I hope they lose all health insurence coverage.

Hey, you got what you wanted.  The war in Gaza is over.  Genocide Joe and Copmala are defeated.  Perhaps Canada can take in some of the people deported by Trump.

[Valmy]

The war in Gaza is over.

We'll see.

[Valmy]

They've been accepting members. Egypt, Indonesia, UAE, maybe Iran are in. I think Turkey, Nigeria and others are in stages of applying.

I think it is legit becoming more than just a slogan by Goldman Sachs.

Edit: And they still call it BRICS - HQ in China I think.

Egypt? Iran? As emerging economies? LOL.

They probably should have higher standards for their club. But I guess if the initial concept includes South Africa and Russia that ship already sailed.

Anyway of course it is bigger than the G7, the G7 does not include India and China. But so what? That still means it really is just IC.

[Neil]

I just meant the idea that those five countries represent some kind of emerging anything is stupid. China and India might.

If BRICS doesn't mean Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa then its not BRICS but something else.

They've been accepting members. Egypt, Indonesia, UAE, maybe Iran are in. I think Turkey, Nigeria and others are in stages of applying.

I think it is legit becoming more than just a slogan by Goldman Sachs.

Edit: And they still call it BRICS - HQ in China I think.

If your bloc has both Iran and the UAE in it, then it's not an effective bloc. 

Stop and consider the actual interests of these countries, as they themselves perceive them.  Certainly there is a desire for revision and an end to accountability from all ten countries involved in BRICS.  But these aren't countries who have some pretty serious disagreements about some pretty fundamental points.  And they don't have the time to coalesce and hammer their differences out, because Russia and especially China have such disastrous demographics that are going to put them into uncharted economic waters in the next fifteen years. 

They've created a talk shop for disaffected countries.  It's an international version of reddit.