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What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

Started by FunkMonk, November 08, 2016, 11:02:57 PM

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The Larch

It's like how only getting banned from Twitter made him dial down his discourse. He gives so much importance to pretty banale things in the big picture.

The Minsky Moment

Brutal pun from Haberman, she belongs here
The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists.
--Joan Robinson

Jacob

Trump is inherently comical and ridiculous. The only thing that makes it not so, is that he has inflicted immense harm on a lot of people and institutions - and still has the potential to do more.

alfred russel

Quote from: Sheilbh on January 11, 2021, 05:08:11 PM
There are times through the Trump Presidency where I find him, fundamentally, kind of hilarious:


The problem with this type of reporting is that it is basically hearsay of a reaction, with an anonymous source, reported through Twitter.

We want to believe that is true, we think we understand his character enough to find it plausible, but who knows?
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

There's a fine line between salvation and drinking poison in the jungle.

I'm embarrassed. I've been making the mistake of associating with you. It won't happen again. :)
-garbon, February 23, 2014

The Minsky Moment

Everything reported in a newspaper is hearsay.
The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists.
--Joan Robinson

The Brain

Women want me. Men want to be with me.

crazy canuck

Quote from: alfred russel on January 11, 2021, 06:00:30 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on January 11, 2021, 05:08:11 PM
There are times through the Trump Presidency where I find him, fundamentally, kind of hilarious:


The problem with this type of reporting is that it is basically hearsay of a reaction, with an anonymous source, reported through Twitter.

We want to believe that is true, we think we understand his character enough to find it plausible, but who knows?

This is a reporter reporting what she has been told by her source regarding what the source saw.  You know, the sort of thing that was called journalism before Trumpists started attacking the media.

Admiral Yi

Quote from: alfred russel on January 11, 2021, 06:00:30 PM
The problem with this type of reporting is that it is basically hearsay of a reaction, with an anonymous source, reported through Twitter.

We want to believe that is true, we think we understand his character enough to find it plausible, but who knows?

I guess we won't be able to convict him of being gutted that he lost the PGA Championship.

Seriously, anonymous sources are not a new thing.  We have to operate with imperfect information all the time.

On a tangent, I wonder if he was gutted (if in fact he really was!) because his finances are even worse than we thought.

alfred russel

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

There's a fine line between salvation and drinking poison in the jungle.

I'm embarrassed. I've been making the mistake of associating with you. It won't happen again. :)
-garbon, February 23, 2014

crazy canuck

Quote from: alfred russel on January 11, 2021, 06:24:40 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on January 11, 2021, 06:01:54 PM
Everything reported in a newspaper is hearsay.

I don't think that is accurate.

If you are thinking about opinion pieces, he said "reported".

alfred russel

Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 11, 2021, 06:12:11 PM
I guess we won't be able to convict him of being gutted that he lost the PGA Championship.

Seriously, anonymous sources are not a new thing.  We have to operate with imperfect information all the time.

On a tangent, I wonder if he was gutted (if in fact he really was!) because his finances are even worse than we thought.

Anonymous sources certainly have uses and there are reasons for reporters to provide anonymity. But to report on the relative badness losing the PGA golf tournament made Trump feel versus losing twitter versus being impeached?
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

There's a fine line between salvation and drinking poison in the jungle.

I'm embarrassed. I've been making the mistake of associating with you. It won't happen again. :)
-garbon, February 23, 2014

Admiral Yi

Quote from: alfred russel on January 11, 2021, 06:27:47 PM
Anonymous sources certainly have uses and there are reasons for reporters to provide anonymity. But to report on the relative badness losing the PGA golf tournament made Trump feel versus losing twitter versus being impeached?

What exactly is your point?  That anonymous sources should only be used to report on matters of Great National Importance?

alfred russel

Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 11, 2021, 06:32:12 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on January 11, 2021, 06:27:47 PM
Anonymous sources certainly have uses and there are reasons for reporters to provide anonymity. But to report on the relative badness losing the PGA golf tournament made Trump feel versus losing twitter versus being impeached?

What exactly is your point?  That anonymous sources should only be used to report on matters of Great National Importance?

Right now there is speculation that some very senior people in the white house may be open to removing trump via the 25th amendment, and there very senior resignations. How much credibility does the report really have? You can't say because it is anonymous.

The granting on anonymity should have standards behind it--it shouldn't just be used to convey juicy gossip. These doesn't seem much better than a social reporter saying that someone close to the handsome bachelor said he had a gleam in his eye when speaking of a certain lady, but he had few kind words for his rumored paramour. What difference does it even make if Trump is more sad about losing the PGA tournament versus losing Twitter?
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

There's a fine line between salvation and drinking poison in the jungle.

I'm embarrassed. I've been making the mistake of associating with you. It won't happen again. :)
-garbon, February 23, 2014

Eddie Teach

Quote from: crazy canuck on January 11, 2021, 06:07:59 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on January 11, 2021, 06:00:30 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on January 11, 2021, 05:08:11 PM
There are times through the Trump Presidency where I find him, fundamentally, kind of hilarious:


The problem with this type of reporting is that it is basically hearsay of a reaction, with an anonymous source, reported through Twitter.

We want to believe that is true, we think we understand his character enough to find it plausible, but who knows?

This is a reporter reporting what she has been told by her source regarding what the source saw.  You know, the sort of thing that was called journalism before Trumpists started attacking the media.

Before Twitter she'd have needed an editor to sign off.
To sleep, perchance to dream. But in that sleep of death, what dreams may come?

Admiral Yi

Quote from: alfred russel on January 11, 2021, 06:42:46 PM
Right now there is speculation that some very senior people in the white house may be open to removing trump via the 25th amendment, and there very senior resignations. How much credibility does the report really have? You can't say because it is anonymous.

The granting on anonymity should have standards behind it--it shouldn't just be used to convey juicy gossip. These doesn't seem much better than a social reporter saying that someone close to the handsome bachelor said he had a gleam in his eye when speaking of a certain lady, but he had few kind words for his rumored paramour. What difference does it even make if Trump is more sad about losing the PGA tournament versus losing Twitter?

Explain to me the downside of reporting what Mr or Ms Guttted said with anonymity.