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Started by FunkMonk, November 08, 2016, 11:02:57 PM

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Grey Fox

Chris Kyle had a weapon on himself & he couldn't save his friend or himself.

Arming teachers will save no one.
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grumbler

Quote from: Tamas on February 22, 2018, 01:22:54 AM
If you indeed end up arming your teachers, you will admit you have a failed society.

Arming the teachers would be a solution to the problem of sporadic and unpredictable firearms killings in schools.  The steady stream of homicide, suicide, and accident gun deaths in schools would be so high that the occasional mass murder of children wouldn't seem to be such a relatively significant problem.
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mongers

Quote from: grumbler on February 22, 2018, 08:39:29 AM
Quote from: Tamas on February 22, 2018, 01:22:54 AM
If you indeed end up arming your teachers, you will admit you have a failed society.

Arming the teachers would be a solution to the problem of sporadic and unpredictable firearms killings in schools.  The steady stream of homicide, suicide, and accident gun deaths in schools would be so high that the occasional mass murder of children wouldn't seem to be such a relatively significant problem.

And the solution to teachers who kill, or their guns that get used in school for the above crimes, is to have the school principles armed with JADMs.
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grumbler

Quote from: Grey Fox on February 22, 2018, 08:34:05 AM
Chris Kyle had a weapon on himself & he couldn't save his friend or himself.

Arming teachers will save no one.

:huh:  What does the Chris Kyle case have to do with school shootings?  Or do you think that all shootings are pretty much the same?

The argument that "Arming teachers will save no one" is about the most absurd argument-by-assertion one can make.  No one?  really?  There is no chance whatsoever that any school shooter ever will ever shoot even one less person because a teacher is armed and stops them? Please think before posting.
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grumbler

Quote from: mongers on February 22, 2018, 08:43:27 AM
And the solution to teachers who kill, or their guns that get used in school for the above crimes, is to have the school principles armed with JADMs.

It's not even the teachers using the weapons that is the biggest threat to health and safety.  it is the accident rate, the losing control of the gun rate, and the "mistaken decision in the shoot-don't-shoot situation" that  will cause the vast majority of deaths, I think.  JDAMs won't help in any of those scenarios, but I like the concept.
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Malthus

The Germans have a perfect word for describing the proposal to arm teachers to address the problem of school shootings: Verschlimmbesserung.
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane—Marcus Aurelius

Grey Fox

Quote from: grumbler on February 22, 2018, 08:44:12 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 22, 2018, 08:34:05 AM
Chris Kyle had a weapon on himself & he couldn't save his friend or himself.

Arming teachers will save no one.

:huh:  What does the Chris Kyle case have to do with school shootings?  Or do you think that all shootings are pretty much the same?

The argument that "Arming teachers will save no one" is about the most absurd argument-by-assertion one can make.  No one?  really?  There is no chance whatsoever that any school shooter ever will ever shoot even one less person because a teacher is armed and stops them? Please think before posting.

All shootings are different & all shootings are the same. People with guns were involved.

Yes, I make argument by assertion all the time & you keep taking every fucking word too fucking literrally.

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grumbler

Quote from: Grey Fox on February 22, 2018, 08:56:23 AM
All shootings are different & all shootings are the same. People with guns were involved.

Yes, I make argument by assertion all the time & you keep taking every fucking word too fucking literrally.

Aucune nuance, aucune place à l'allégorie avec toi.

So why not argue like an adult, and not an emo teen?  Claiming that absurd hyperbole is "nuance" is ridiculous.  Remember the First Rule of Holes, and stop now.
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

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Grey Fox

Wait, what's the first rule of holes? I've never heard of this. :hmm:

Is it don't be one?  :lol:
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grumbler

Quote from: Grey Fox on February 22, 2018, 09:02:02 AM
Wait, what's the first rule of holes? I've never heard of this. :hmm:

Is it don't be one?  :lol:

In the internet age, ignorance isn't something to boast about.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=%22First+Rule+of+Holes%22
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Barrister

Quote from: grumbler on February 22, 2018, 10:23:38 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 22, 2018, 09:02:02 AM
Wait, what's the first rule of holes? I've never heard of this. :hmm:

Is it don't be one?  :lol:

In the internet age, ignorance isn't something to boast about.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=%22First+Rule+of+Holes%22

That's an old, old, old adage - but I've never heard of it referred to as "the first rule of holes".
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Habbaku

Indeed. Even the Google link provided shows it's clearly the "Law of holes".
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Razgovory

Quote from: Barrister on February 22, 2018, 11:00:06 AM
Quote from: grumbler on February 22, 2018, 10:23:38 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 22, 2018, 09:02:02 AM
Wait, what's the first rule of holes? I've never heard of this. :hmm:

Is it don't be one?  :lol:

In the internet age, ignorance isn't something to boast about.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=%22First+Rule+of+Holes%22

That's an old, old, old adage - but I've never heard of it referred to as "the first rule of holes".


Grumbler is confused.  He's thinking of the first rule of Dholes.   Oddly enough the first rule of Dholes is the second Law of Robotics but with badgers.  All the rules of Dholes are cribbed from other rules.  The 93rd rule of Dholes is just a traffic ordinance from 1930's Vancouver.
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grumbler

Quote from: Habbaku on February 22, 2018, 11:12:36 AM
Indeed. Even the Google link provided shows it's clearly the "Law of holes".

Really?  That's the conclusion you reached from reading the results of the search?

Wow.
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

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