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Started by FunkMonk, November 08, 2016, 11:02:57 PM

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Razgovory

Teachers don't have enough money for class supplies.  It's common for teachers to spend hundreds of dollars to buy supplies.  https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2017/12/19/569989782/how-much-do-teachers-spend-on-classroom-supplies

Now they need to spend 400-600 bucks on a handgun?
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Admiral Yi

I would want a few more than seven teachers before I said it was common.

Ed Anger

They can get s cheap ass Hi-Point(made in Ohio!)
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Monoriu

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Quote from: Monoriu on February 22, 2018, 08:02:32 PM
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Quote from: Monoriu on February 22, 2018, 04:20:04 PM
If I am tasked to implement the idea of arming the teachers, the first question I'll ask is how much is that going to cost, and then where will the money come from.  That's probably going to be quite expensive, considering the vast numbers of teachers and schools in the US, the cost of the guns themselves, the training for the teachers, the ammunition, maintenance, replacements, weapons updates

Just let the teachers bring their own firearms to work with 'em.

What about in areas where teachers generally don't own firearms?  Also, just because they own firearms doesn't mean they know how to use them properly, especially in situations where they have to confront mass murderers.  There must be procedures in place to ensure they are up to standards.  I don't see how some form of training can be avoided, especially if legal claims are expected and unavoidable.  There are also issues involving fairness (only those teachers who already own firearms have to bear this additional responsibility), and adequate compensation for staff (I have to use xx bullets per month to practise for this, so I demand the government pay me back for the training expenses).

We don't even have procedures in place to ensure they're up to standard in their ability to teach.  How or why would we expect them to be up to standards in anything else?

Because the worst that can happen if a teacher can't teach is that the students don't learn anything.  If a teacher can't handle a gun, the worst that can happen is that students die. 

jimmy olsen

Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 22, 2018, 09:34:31 PM
I would want a few more than seven teachers before I said it was common.

Every teacher I know/trained/worked with back home does this.

Looks like Kelly and McMaster are really getting fed up with Jared

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-mcmaster-kelly/two-top-white-house-advisers-may-leave-over-tensions-with-trump-sources-idUSKCN1G7001?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=5a8f62e304d3017f237bcdfa&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter
QuoteWASHINGTON (Reuters) - Longstanding friction between U.S. President Donald Trump and two top aides, the National Security Adviser and the Chief of Staff, has grown to a point that either or both might quit soon, four senior administration officials said.

Both H.R. McMaster and John Kelly are military men considered by U.S. political observers as moderating influences on the president by imposing a routine on the White House. They have also convinced Trump of the importance of international alliances, particularly NATO, which he has criticized as not equally sharing its burdens with the United States.

However, all the officials were quick to add that the tensions could blow over, at least for now, as have previous episodes of discord between the president and other top officials who have fallen out of favor, including Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and Attorney General Jeff Sessions.

Asked about sources saying that either National Security Adviser McMaster or Chief of Staff Kelly, or both, might be leaving, White House spokesman Raj Shah on Thursday did not address the possibility. He said, "the president has full confidence in each member of the team." Press secretary Sarah Sanders said on Tuesday that Trump "still has confidence in General McMaster."

Neither Kelly nor McMaster responded to requests for comment on whether they would remain in the administration.

Trump swatted McMaster in a Twitter post after his comments at a European conference last weekend that he was certain Russia meddled in the 2016 U.S. election campaign, which Trump has been reluctant to acknowledge.

Kelly and McMaster have chafed at Trump's treatment of them in public and in private, which both at times have considered insulting, said all four officials, speaking on condition of anonymity.

The current and most potent irritant, they said, is Kelly's effort, supported by McMaster, to prevent administration officials who have been unable to obtain permanent high-level security clearances from having access to the government's most closely held secrets.

Under pressure to act last week, Kelly strengthened the security clearance process in response to a scandal involving Rob Porter, a former official accused of domestic abuse by two ex-wives. Staffers whose interim clearances have been pending since June would have them revoked on Friday.

White House officials were working to find a compromise that would allow Kushner to continue his work as a senior adviser to Trump, another source familiar with the situation said, also speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal White House matters.

Under current law and regulation, the president has authority to grant any level of clearance to anyone he chooses, but officials wanted to avoid that option, this official said. There was no sense that Kushner would be leaving his job.

Kelly declined to comment on anybody's specific security clearance. He said in a statement that he had told Kushner days ago that he had "full confidence in his ability to continue performing his duties in his foreign policy portfolio."

Kelly said those duties include overseeing the Israeli-Palestinian peace effort and serving as an integral part of the U.S. relationship with Mexico.

McMaster's support for Kelly on the security clearance issue is only his latest difference with Trump. Officials in the Defense Department said there have been discussions about him returning to the Army, possibly as head of the Forces Command at Fort Bragg, in North Carolina. McMaster, 55, previously served as deputy commander there.Although he has been supportive of Trump on many issues, including threatening North Korea with military action, McMaster has taken a harder stance on Russia than his boss.

After U.S. Special Counsel Robert Mueller charged 13 Russians, a Russian propaganda arm and two other firms on Feb. 16 with tampering in the election to boost Trump, McMaster said the evidence of Moscow's meddling was "incontrovertible." [nL2N1Q61CL]

Trump publicly chastised McMaster in a Twitter post, saying McMaster "forgot to say that the results of the 2016 election were not impacted by the Russians."


Reporting by John Walcott; Additional reporting by Steve Holland and Mark Hosenball; Editing by Mary Milliken and Grant McCool


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Admiral Yi

QuoteUnder current law and regulation, the president has authority to grant any level of clearance to anyone he chooses

This I didn't know.

grumbler

Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 22, 2018, 10:07:52 PM
QuoteUnder current law and regulation, the president has authority to grant any level of clearance to anyone he chooses

This I didn't know.
All original classification authority and clearance/access authority originate in the President.  Agencies and services just have delegated authority, which is authorized by statute.
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"We've reached one of our phase lines after the firefight and it smells bad—meaning it's a little bit suspicious... Could be an amb—".

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Quote from: Razgovory on February 22, 2018, 09:30:12 PM
Teachers don't have enough money for class supplies.  It's common for teachers to spend hundreds of dollars to buy supplies.  https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2017/12/19/569989782/how-much-do-teachers-spend-on-classroom-supplies

Now they need to spend 400-600 bucks on a handgun?

IMO it's a bad idea anyway. Teachers aren't trained to engage shooters nor should they be. They're not cops.
"there's a long tradition of insulting people we disagree with here, and I'll be damned if I listen to your entreaties otherwise."-OVB

"Obviously not a Berkut-commanded armored column.  They're not all brewing."- CdM

"We've reached one of our phase lines after the firefight and it smells bad—meaning it's a little bit suspicious... Could be an amb—".

Ed Anger

Quote from: 11B4V on February 22, 2018, 10:16:26 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on February 22, 2018, 09:36:20 PM
They can get s cheap ass Hi-Point(made in Ohio!)

:lol:

Hi point could make a teachers edition. It has space for smiley stickers and stars to slap on people who they shoot.

Bad guys get a frowny face.
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Razgovory

I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Valmy

In my kids' school the parents donate tons of supplies to their kids classroom and we also volunteer quite a bit. Well some of them volunteer quite a bit, I have to work for a living.

We also donate money to the school in fund raiser drives. It is really weird since we live in a booming suburban district.
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Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Monoriu

Never heard of parents or teachers donating stuff to schools, or school fund raising.  Parents are responsible for providing supplies for their own kids.  If they can't afford the supplies, they can apply for government assistance, which is subject to a means test. 

Valmy

Quote from: Monoriu on February 23, 2018, 12:01:34 AM
Never heard of parents or teachers donating stuff to schools, or school fund raising.  Parents are responsible for providing supplies for their own kids.  If they can't afford the supplies, they can apply for government assistance, which is subject to a means test. 

This is not for supplies for the kids. This is supplies for the classrooms. This is for supplies for the schools. We already spend plenty of money on school supplies for our own kids. This is on top of that.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Monoriu

Quote from: Valmy on February 23, 2018, 12:05:02 AM
Quote from: Monoriu on February 23, 2018, 12:01:34 AM
Never heard of parents or teachers donating stuff to schools, or school fund raising.  Parents are responsible for providing supplies for their own kids.  If they can't afford the supplies, they can apply for government assistance, which is subject to a means test. 

This is not for supplies for the kids. This is supplies for the classrooms. This is for supplies for the schools. We already spend plenty of money on school supplies for our own kids. This is on top of that.

What are supplies for classrooms? 

If you are talking about stuff like chalk or blackboards, then there is even less chance for parents or teachers to pay for them.  The government pays for that kind of stuff.