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What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

Started by FunkMonk, November 08, 2016, 11:02:57 PM

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Admiral Yi

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/27/business/media/cnn-retracted-story-on-trump.html?mcubz=2

Based on this article I'd say it looks very bad for CNN.  This is not just a case of honest mistake, retract, all done.

garbon

Presumably that's why 3 people got the boot?
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

CountDeMoney

Quote from: derspiess on June 28, 2017, 12:11:44 PM
Yup.  He's bad enough.  But they have to make shit up to make him look like a traitor that sold out to the Russians.

Swallowing all that fat Russian cock has nothing to do with patriotism.  I sincerely doubt Trump can even think on that conceptual level.  Just so happens to be incidental.

QuoteBecause some people (though certainly not anyone here) will consume those stories without questioning anything.

Consumption of these stories is about questioning, Muttski  :lol:  That's what journalism is about.


dps

Quote from: garbon on June 28, 2017, 01:40:32 PM
Presumably that's why 3 people got the boot?

It's good that CNN's president has set a zero-tolerance policy for not following proper procedures to vet a story.  Kudos.  That was actually my main take-away from the article that Yi linked to.

I would like to see them explain what was wrong or unsubstantiated in the story, though.

Admiral Yi

Quote from: garbon on June 28, 2017, 01:40:32 PM
Presumably that's why 3 people got the boot?

I imagine there is a connection?

garbon

Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 28, 2017, 02:03:42 PM
Quote from: garbon on June 28, 2017, 01:40:32 PM
Presumably that's why 3 people got the boot?

I imagine there is a connection?

They got dropped because it wasn't an honest mistake on their parts.
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

The Minsky Moment

The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists.
--Joan Robinson

dps

Quote from: garbon on June 28, 2017, 02:29:47 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 28, 2017, 02:03:42 PM
Quote from: garbon on June 28, 2017, 01:40:32 PM
Presumably that's why 3 people got the boot?

I imagine there is a connection?

They got dropped because it wasn't an honest mistake on their parts.

Do we actually know that?  I mean, it's clear that the review process wasn't followed, but did they deliberately circumvent it, or did they just screw up (granted that I don't know how you'd accidentally circumvent it, but I don't know the details about how the process works to say for sure).  Also, is the story itself inaccurate, or simply hasn't been reviewed properly?  I don't know for sure from what I've read.  I'd assume that it was inaccurate, because presumably if it simply hadn't been reviewed properly, it would have been reviewed after it was discovered that procedure hadn't already been followed and kept up/put back up, and the people responsible for putting it up without following the proper procedures would have been disciplined without the story itself being retracted, but, again, I don't know that for sure.

Admiral Yi

It wasn't clear to me from the story I linked whether the story wasn't vetted or it passed vetting.

Razgovory

The moral of the story is to never admit mistakes.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

derspiess

Quote from: Razgovory on June 28, 2017, 07:26:50 PM
The moral of the story is to never admit mistakes.


Unless you're facing a possible $100 million lawsuit :ph34r:
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

The Minsky Moment

Quote from: derspiess on June 28, 2017, 07:39:23 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 28, 2017, 07:26:50 PM
The moral of the story is to never admit mistakes.


Unless you're facing a possible $100 million lawsuit :ph34r:

Then you loudly proclaim innocence and later quietly settle confidentially
The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists.
--Joan Robinson

Razgovory

If the president could sue for libel Obama would be a billionaire
.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

DGuller

Quote from: Razgovory on June 29, 2017, 12:02:28 AM
If the president could sue for libel Obama would be a billionaire
.
Not unless he waits for those Chinese deals to run their course.

Savonarola

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on June 28, 2017, 10:22:06 AM
CNN's pretty crappy but still the least worst of the cable news networks.

Which is probably why their ratings are the lowest of the cable news networks.

;)

In my opinion the take away from the story is that, awful as CNN is, there is at least some accountability there; someone lost their job over this.  Unlike Rolling Stone magazine where no one lost their job after the UVA story not even after losing a defamation of character suit based on that story.
In Italy, for thirty years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love, they had five hundred years of democracy and peace—and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock