What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

[CountDeMoney]

No Bernie Sanders is an example of everything wrong with American Politics today on the Progressive side.

The Clintons were about as moderate as they come.

Exactly.  A 3rd party candidate that was kept by the DNC where he belonged:  on the sidelines.  Shame the RNC nominated theirs.

And honestly:  with the exception of the debates--when he was required to--does anyone at all remember Bernie saying a single thing about foreign policy, ever, other than Iraq War = Bad?  Nothing. 

[HVC]

Aren't the Clintons big money "establishment" libs? Unless goldman sachs is now a progressive firm or something.

And Bernie is the most popular politician you guys have down there. Politics is weird.

Exactly. They are not progressive at all really. Which was what I was saying.

sorry, quote the wrong person.

[Berkut]

Who exactly did you want to come forward? Her VP selection hardly moved the needle at all and I thought he was one of the best candidates around.

I don't know - the problem was that there wasn't anyone TO come forward.

Your complaint is like someone complainging that the QB for the college football team sucks, and the HC should be fired. And someone says "Well, that is bullshit! He might be terrible, but his backup is worse, and the three guys lower on the depth chart are even worse!"

All that might be true, but the complaint is that the head coach didn't recruit better players to begin with - the DNC is supposed to be grooming people for leadership, and it feels like since the election of Obama (and really before, since Obama was a surprise to the DNC) it has been clear that there was no reason to position yourself as a potential challenger to the Clintons. That would be the worst possible political move for young Democrats.

Now that DNC has nothing but ancient people running things, and does not appear to have any vision for the future at all. The Clintons epic failure to beat the worst ever Presidential candidate ever means that they have zero credibility, and the youth of the party seems to feel pretty much betrayed.

I think a good chunk of the blame for this can and should be laid at the feet of the Clintons, and how they pretty much ran the DNC.

Some should go to Obama as well, since he mostly let them do it - but at least he was kind of busy being President. I hope he actually take an active role in the running of the Party moving forward.

[Valmy]

Who exactly did you want to come forward? Her VP selection hardly moved the needle at all and I thought he was one of the best candidates around.

I don't know - the problem was that there wasn't anyone TO come forward.

Indeed.

Your complaint is like someone complainging that the QB for the college football team sucks, and the HC should be fired. And someone says "Well, that is bullshit! He might be terrible, but his backup is worse, and the three guys lower on the depth chart are even worse!"

It was not a complaint. It was a question. The guys I thought were good were clearly remarkably unpopular and nobody had any interest in them.

All that might be true, but the complaint is that the head coach didn't recruit better players to begin with - the DNC is supposed to be grooming people for leadership, and it feels like since the election of Obama (and really before, since Obama was a surprise to the DNC) it has been clear that there was no reason to position yourself as a potential challenger to the Clintons. That would be the worst possible political move for young Democrats.

Sure...but who? Obama was a star the second he appeared in 2004.

Now that DNC has nothing but ancient people running things, and does not appear to have any vision for the future at all. The Clintons epic failure to beat the worst ever Presidential candidate ever means that they have zero credibility, and the youth of the party seems to feel pretty much betrayed.

Could you please give me an example in the past of somebody being selected and groomed by the DNC who then rose to power? It certainly wasn't Bill Clinton or Obama. I don't think it really works that way. Somebody has to rise to prominence. 

I think a good chunk of the blame for this can and should be laid at the feet of the Clintons, and how they pretty much ran the DNC.

Some should go to Obama as well, since he mostly let them do it - but at least he was kind of busy being President. I hope he actually take an active role in the running of the Party moving forward.

I think the blame goes to everybody. I honestly thought we needed insiders with some experience running things since we had had such problems with Obama's amateur hour problems when he first got elected.

Anyway it is too late dude. Bernie Sanders and his people are running the party now.

[CountDeMoney]

Who exactly did you want to come forward? Her VP selection hardly moved the needle at all and I thought he was one of the best candidates around.

She didn't select her VP to move the needle, she selected him because she felt he would be the best choice to become POTUS if necessary.  Because that's a Veep's job.

[Valmy]

Who exactly did you want to come forward? Her VP selection hardly moved the needle at all and I thought he was one of the best candidates around.

She didn't select her VP to move the needle, she selected him because she felt he would be the best choice to become POTUS if necessary.  Because that's a Veep's job.

I am just saying I would have eagerly voted for Tim Kaine to be President, but it was pretty obvious the American public and the media regarded him with barely concealed contempt. There is no way in hell he would have won the nomination.

[garbon]

In most of his outings he seemed a bit amateur hour.

[CountDeMoney]

In most of his outings he seemed a bit amateur hour.

Oh yeah, he was a bit folksy, and Virginia governor isn't high profile unless you're indicted, but he knew his way around the Senate on both sides of the aisle.

[frunk]

Tim Kain on Harmonica with Tommy Stinson.

[Berkut]

Who exactly did you want to come forward? Her VP selection hardly moved the needle at all and I thought he was one of the best candidates around.

I don't know - the problem was that there wasn't anyone TO come forward.

Indeed.

But why is that? Is it the case that in the entire Democratic Party, there isn't ANYONE other than Hillary Clinton capable of running for President?

Of course that isn't the case. The party itself was taken over by the Clintons, and they made it clear they had no interest in letting another Obama happen, IMO.

Your complaint is like someone complainging that the QB for the college football team sucks, and the HC should be fired. And someone says "Well, that is bullshit! He might be terrible, but his backup is worse, and the three guys lower on the depth chart are even worse!"

It was not a complaint. It was a question. The guys I thought were good were clearly remarkably unpopular and nobody had any interest in them.

What about all the guys and women you didn't hear about?

All that might be true, but the complaint is that the head coach didn't recruit better players to begin with - the DNC is supposed to be grooming people for leadership, and it feels like since the election of Obama (and really before, since Obama was a surprise to the DNC) it has been clear that there was no reason to position yourself as a potential challenger to the Clintons. That would be the worst possible political move for young Democrats.

Sure...but who? Obama was a star the second he appeared in 2004.

I don't know who - I don't run the DNC and I have no real pulse on the grassroots of the party. It's not my job to know who, it is THEIR job to groom a variety of potential leaders.

That did not happen, in great part (IMO) because the Clintons wanted to make sure there wasn't an alternative to Clinton. I think there was this idea in '08 that Obama was a rising star, would run as a way of getting some more visibility, graciously lose, and be the *next* President after Clinton.

But he knocked Clinton off, and the Clintons were not about to let that happen again. No rising stars allowed! They can rise AFTER Hillary is elected!

Ooops.

Now that DNC has nothing but ancient people running things, and does not appear to have any vision for the future at all. The Clintons epic failure to beat the worst ever Presidential candidate ever means that they have zero credibility, and the youth of the party seems to feel pretty much betrayed.

Could you please give me an example in the past of somebody being selected and groomed by the DNC who then rose to power? It certainly wasn't Bill Clinton or Obama. I don't think it really works that way. Somebody has to rise to prominence.

I am no talking about them selecting people as much as I am talking about them creating an environment where the next Clinton or Obama could thrive. Obama is a perfect example. It's not like he was unknown.

Where are this cycles Obamas, or this cycles Bill Clintons? Where are they all?

Why are there 70 year olds running the party?

I think a good chunk of the blame for this can and should be laid at the feet of the Clintons, and how they pretty much ran the DNC.

Some should go to Obama as well, since he mostly let them do it - but at least he was kind of busy being President. I hope he actually take an active role in the running of the Party moving forward.

I think the blame goes to everybody. I honestly thought we needed insiders with some experience running things since we had had such problems with Obama's amateur hour problems when he first got elected.

Anyway it is too late dude. Bernie Sanders and his people are running the party now.

Are they? He is too damn old as well.

[HVC]

Tim Kaine looked creepy. like that uncle that's a little too touchy feely.

[Admiral Yi]

I thought he was gay.

[CountDeMoney]

Tim Kaine looked creepy. like that uncle that's a little too touchy feely.

I preferred SNL's take on the Veep debate between Kaine and Pence, or "your Dad and your Step-Dad."

[The Minsky Moment]

A presidential primary campaign costs $200M.  That's what practically limits the field.  Obama and Sanders were able to build national organizations to raise from small donors but that is tricky to do.  The other alternatives are to be really rich and self-fund, or to be like the Clintons and spend a lifetime sucking up to plutocrats.

Like lots of problems with the US political system, the root of the issue is uncontrolled money in politics.

[viper37]

It's a cheap way for him to play the nationalist without pissing off any domestic constituencies.

Considering the unfair attacks against Canada, I'd say I'm surprised by his moderate and calm response.

Well, it seems NAFTA is dead.  Long live FTA!

I don't think that's the latest news.

Yeah, I heard the US has agreed to renegotiate today, after signing the executive order to pull out of NAFTA.
I do not know if it's the usual Trump negotiating strategy or if he's bluffing right now and really prepared to pull the plug on NAFTA.  if Canada is the problem, it won't change anything since we default back to the original FTA who is 99,8% the same.