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What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

Started by FunkMonk, November 08, 2016, 11:02:57 PM

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celedhring

Quote from: FunkMonk on April 12, 2017, 08:04:52 PM
God fucking damnit Donald don't fuck up my European vacation

Yay, that's going to lower my kickstarter bill  :)

Legbiter

Quote from: Valmy on April 12, 2017, 06:26:27 PM
Maybe Trump is learning a bit about how to be President. The news recently has not been completely embarrassing.

Watching him learn on the job has been amazing.  :lol:
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CountDeMoney

Quote from: Legbiter on April 13, 2017, 05:18:09 AM
Quote from: Valmy on April 12, 2017, 06:26:27 PM
Maybe Trump is learning a bit about how to be President. The news recently has not been completely embarrassing.

Watching him learn on the job has been amazing.  :lol:

Yes, it's like watching a toddler getting potty-trained.  We've made a big boy poopie!

Josquius

Wouldn't it be great if as he learns ever more he comes to the conclusion that the Democrats were right all along.
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CountDeMoney

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Valmy

Quote from: Legbiter on April 13, 2017, 05:18:09 AM
Quote from: Valmy on April 12, 2017, 06:26:27 PM
Maybe Trump is learning a bit about how to be President. The news recently has not been completely embarrassing.

Watching him learn on the job has been amazing.  :lol:

You have a bizarre definition of 'amazing'. But I guess for you that just means it gives you LOLZ.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

merithyn

Pretty much nails it, imo.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/13/politics/trump-flip-flop-russia-china/

QuoteIn the space of the last week, President Donald Trump has either altered or totally reversed his views on US involvement in Syria, Russia's friendliness (or lack thereof), China's currency manipulation, Fed chair Janet Yellen, the Export-Import Bank and NATO.

It's enough to a) give you whiplash and b) raise legitimate questions about what Trump actually believes, given that many of his current positions are directly at odds with those that he staked out during the campaign. Is this a new Trump? A more centrist, realistic one? And, if so, what changed?
The answer is that nothing has really changed.

Think about what has always sat at the heart of how Donald Trump defines himself: Deal-making. He became a national figure following the success of his book, "The Art of the Deal." The persona that made him a reality TV star was of a tough-bargaining deal-maker. He ran for president on that same idea: I've done big deals all of my life. None of these politicians know how to make the best deals, but I do.

Everything, in the world of Trump, is a negotiation -- up to and including facts. This quote, from "Art of the Deal," is deeply revealing about that Trump philosophy:
"I never get too attached to one deal or one approach. For starters, I keep a lot of balls in the air, because most deals fall out, no matter how promising they seem at first."

The fact is that Trump was miscast -- and willfully played into the mischaracterization -- during the Republican primary fight as an ideologue. He was able to carve out a niche within the party by leading people to believe that his tough talk on things like immigration or China's currency policies were evidence of a deep-rooted conservatism and commitment to ideology that he would bring to the White House.

Trump knew, for example, that conservatives thought then-President Barack Obama kowtowed too often to NATO, so he took a hard line stance in declaring the organization "obsolete." On Syria, Trump knew that there was real resistance from the public to anything resembling a foreign conflict with an uncertain time commitment and a muddy definition of winning. So he came out hard against US involvement.

The point is that Trump took these positions not because they were long and deeply-held views but because they made sense for him politically at the time. Conservatives wanted a brash, tough-talking outsider. That's what Trump gave them.

He was able to do so because he had never run for office before and so his positions on virtually every issue were unknown. Trump, unlike, say, Jeb(!) Bush, who had a long record of views on virtually every subject, could tailor his issue positions to what the voters wanted.

Once you understand that Trump views everything -- up to and including where he stands on a given issue on any given day -- as a sort of extended negotiation, it becomes far easier to understand how he could so quickly and totally reverse himself on major issues like the US relationship with China or whether the Export-Import Bank should exist.

The positions he once took fit that moment. But now that he is president and, in the words of White House press secretary Sean Spicer, "circumstances change," Trump is entirely comfortable taking different views.

What we see as flip-floppery and weakness, Trump sees as flexibility and uncertainty -- which he thinks are two hallmarks of any strong deal-maker. Trump doesn't feel any allegiance to past positions or, really, past statements about issues. Those are the sorts of things that get in the way of making the best deals. And that's what Trump believes the public wants from him, ideology or consistency be damned.
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I met a man who wasn't there
He wasn't there again today
I wish, I wish he'd go away...

derspiess

"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

Valmy

Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

garbon

"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
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Jacob

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Quote from: garbon on April 13, 2017, 09:25:38 AM
Quote from: Valmy on April 13, 2017, 09:22:38 AM
Well yeah. He shot missiles.

Yep, he went with a distract. Wheeee!

Looks like he thinks it's the way to go - US uses MOAB for the first time, in Afghanistan.

Exciting times for the warboner crowd.

garbon

Problem, Meri, is said analysis paints him too bright. Don't buy it.
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

DontSayBanana

Quote from: DGuller on April 12, 2017, 05:56:04 PM
Any theories as to what's going on with Trump and Russia now?  I see many possibilities:

1)  Trump realized that Putin isn't just a murderer, but also a bad guy.
2)  This is a complex KGB game to throw people off the trail.
3)  Trump used Putin and now dumped him.
4)  Trump realized that buddying up to Putin will require more political capital than he's willing or able to spend, and decided to give up on the idea.
5)  CIA has a pee pee tape featuring Trump and underage male prostitutes.

6) Trump realized Putin had been playing him like a fiddle (still arguably is) and ragequit.
Experience bij!

garbon

Quote from: DontSayBanana on April 13, 2017, 12:44:03 PM
Quote from: DGuller on April 12, 2017, 05:56:04 PM
Any theories as to what's going on with Trump and Russia now?  I see many possibilities:

1)  Trump realized that Putin isn't just a murderer, but also a bad guy.
2)  This is a complex KGB game to throw people off the trail.
3)  Trump used Putin and now dumped him.
4)  Trump realized that buddying up to Putin will require more political capital than he's willing or able to spend, and decided to give up on the idea.
5)  CIA has a pee pee tape featuring Trump and underage male prostitutes.

6) Trump realized Putin had been playing him like a fiddle (still arguably is) and ragequit.

All seem unlikely.
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

DontSayBanana

Quote from: Jacob on April 13, 2017, 12:32:14 PM
Looks like he thinks it's the way to go - US uses MOAB for the first time, in Afghanistan.

Exciting times for the warboner crowd.

You know, if a C-130 carried one Scorpion instead of two MOABs, at least the Scorpion could hit multiple targets.  I thought the biggest issue with fighting in Afghanistan was that the enemy can scatter to where single munitions don't make much of a dent.
Experience bij!