What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

[CountDeMoney]

Yeah that is what I thought. They are just SO DESPERATE for good workers they can pay at a ridiculous rate but we are so damn lazy and terrible.

It's dangerous, demanding and important work that doesn't revolve around a standard work week.  Is it a ridiculous rate because you don't need a college degree?

Wait you can "test" for full conductorship? The article said you are "entitled" to it

Kinda like how you're entitled to test for sergeant--if you have a good job record and decent head on your shoulders, you're not not going to make it.

[Phillip V]

Carrier Corp. Agrees to Keep About 1,000 Jobs at Indiana Plant

Carrier switches plan to shift some jobs to Mexico after lobbying by incoming Trump administration

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/29/business/trump-to-announce-carrier-plant-will-keep-jobs-in-us.html

According to WSJ conditional on some kind of tax amnesty/break on overseas profits.

WORST DEAL EVER

$700 per year per worker in tax breaks to keep the 1,000 jobs in Indiana for 10 years.  That "cost" is even less considering the additional $16 million in-state investment the company is promising.  Sounds like a good deal.   

http://www.wsj.com/articles/indiana-gives-7-million-in-tax-breaks-to-keep-carrier-jobs-1480608461?emailToken=JRrzdvp7ZHSTgd02bsw90lEpZ68BTuCIWF7MaS%2BPP0nIsH3Sp6egweApjsvyq3miTEVhoswDqm0ySCWUi2NwRs6cgft9ll2/PiAB/smaiV3XZB0%3D

[OttoVonBismarck]

On the whole, liberal Republicans and Conservative Democrats are definitely rarer than ever, but I'd say moderate/liberal Republicans who can win both state legislative seats, governor's mansions, and the occasional U.S. House/U.S. Senate seat seem to be in a healthier place than conservative Dems. I'm struggling to think of a single conservative Democrat left other than Joe Manchin in West Virginia, at the Federal level.

I have to assume at least in part this is because Republicans are better at organizing at lower levels of government. Democrats seem better at things like populist fundraising, getting out their existing base (but only in Presidential election years), building huge majorities in minority communities--but unfortunately the fastest growing minorities, Hispanics and Asian Americans, are geographically clustered primarily in deep blue states and deep red Texas that they'll be unlikely to flip on their own.

He's a national disgrace now, but Chris Christie won the statehouse back in 2010 in a very liberal state. He walked an interesting tight rope, in many ways he adhered to conservative orthodoxy--he was anti-SSM (vetoed it and fought the later court decision in NJ that allowed SSM), pro-life etc, but he always tried to keep that stuff on the back burner. He didn't want to totally divorce himself from national Republican orthodoxy, but he knew that shit wasn't going to win for him in New Jersey. So he focused on things that had greater appeal, like New Jersey's nationally very high tax rates, and attacks on overpaid public-sector employees (in the case of New Jersey, unlike some states, public-sector employees protected by unions were really being paid pretty insane salaries and benefits that were paupering the state.) I feel like there has to be room for Democratic equivalents of this kind of strategy in red states.

[derspiess]

Okay, so I just got my text confirming my tickets for tonight's event. 

Should I: go? 

[Valmy]

Okay, so I just got my text confirming my tickets for tonight's event. 

Should I: go? 

Absolutely. I cannot wait to hear all about it.

[Valmy]

I feel like there has to be room for Democratic equivalents of this kind of strategy in red states.

There used to be lots of those on a local level. And there still are some. But it is difficult these days.

I have to assume at least in part this is because Republicans are better at organizing at lower levels of government. Democrats seem better at things like populist fundraising, getting out their existing base (but only in Presidential election years), building huge majorities in minority communities--but unfortunately the fastest growing minorities, Hispanics and Asian Americans, are geographically clustered primarily in deep blue states and deep red Texas that they'll be unlikely to flip on their own.

They are slowly taking over North Carolina and Georgia in this fashion. It may yet work in Texas. They are slowly taking control of all the major cities. This is really their only chance for success. Trying to be two-faced and game the system has not worked for them. It also makes them the moderate establishment, which everybody hates these days. Which is why I think populist leftism is about to be resurgent, and will win them back the rust belt. I don't think the lesson they will take from this election is they need to be more moderate and conservative, that was the now discredited Clinton strategy.

As somebody who is actually moderate and "pro-establishment" that kind of sucks.

Besides plenty of guys like Paul LePage might be in blue states but they are far from moderate or left leaning.

[Valmy]

It's dangerous, demanding and important work that doesn't revolve around a standard work week.  Is it a ridiculous rate because you don't need a college degree?

No. I meant it is just far higher than most wages these days.

Wait you can "test" for full conductorship? The article said you are "entitled" to it

Kinda like how you're entitled to test for sergeant--if you have a good job record and decent head on your shoulders, you're not not going to make it.

Got it. Well if this electrical engineering thing doesn't work out I will keep that in mind.

I am working over 60 hours a week these days so how much worse could it be?

[FunkMonk]

Okay, so I just got my text confirming my tickets for tonight's event. 

Should I: go? 

Hell yeah

[Barrister]

Okay, so I just got my text confirming my tickets for tonight's event. 

Should I: go? 

I would totally go to a Trump rally, and I don't even like Trump.

[CountDeMoney]

No. I meant it is just far higher than most wages these days.

I know, right?  Damned unions forgetting to disappear in order to allow companies to suppress wages.

Got it. Well if this electrical engineering thing doesn't work out I will keep that in mind.

I am working over 60 hours a week these days so how much worse could it be?

You could be in a bucket above a truck, working on lines in a Cat 2 hurricane.

[The Minsky Moment]

Carrier Corp. Agrees to Keep About 1,000 Jobs at Indiana Plant

Carrier switches plan to shift some jobs to Mexico after lobbying by incoming Trump administration

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/29/business/trump-to-announce-carrier-plant-will-keep-jobs-in-us.html

According to WSJ conditional on some kind of tax amnesty/break on overseas profits.

WORST DEAL EVER

m
$700 per year per worker in tax breaks to keep the 1,000 jobs in Indiana for 10 years.  That "cost" is even less considering the additional $16 million in-state investment the company is promising.  Sounds like a good deal.   

http://www.wsj.com/articles/indiana-gives-7-million-in-tax-breaks-to-keep-carrier-jobs-1480608461?emailToken=JRrzdvp7ZHSTgd02bsw90lEpZ68BTuCIWF7MaS%2BPP0nIsH3Sp6egweApjsvyq3miTEVhoswDqm0ySCWUi2NwRs6cgft9ll2/PiAB/smaiV3XZB0%3D

The WORST DEAL EVER was a joke, Basilieus.  Reference to a certain individual's tendency to make such claims about every treaty, agreement, convention or proposal his political opponents ever got near.

As to whether the deal is good is not, the remains to be seen, as the true terms and conditions are as yet unknown, as is the nature (if any) of the binding commitment that Carrier makes. 

[derspiess]

Okay, so I just got my text confirming my tickets for tonight's event. 

Should I: go? 

I would totally go to a Trump rally, and I don't even like Trump.

There is a reminder on the ticket that "official Donald J Trump for President Gear is ONLY available inside the venue".  So I guess I better not buy the knockoff crap outside the arena.

[CountDeMoney]

As to whether the deal is good is not, the remains to be seen, as the true terms and conditions are as yet unknown, as is the nature (if any) of the binding commitment that Carrier makes.

Read a piece quoting some of the Mexican politicians in that area.  Carrier's already built the plant as part of a huge expansion there, just sitting there empty.
So somebody's going to be there, whether it's Carrier or someone else.

[CountDeMoney]

There is a reminder on the ticket that "official Donald J Trump for President Gear is ONLY available inside the venue".  So I guess I better not buy the knockoff crap outside the arena.

Yeah, don't get fooled with Chinese knockoffs of stuff made in China.

[derspiess]

I'll send you a MAKE AMELICA GLEAT AGAIN hat.