What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

[Malthus]

I mean, like I said I didn't vote for Trump, but this social justice bullshit really pisses me off.  The root of all problems is the white hiterlite male! They're all rapists, racists, and holding us down!

That whole line of thinking is just asinine.  If you wonder why this ongoing push is pissing a lot of people off, then you're out of touch as 50% of the country just voted against it.  *shrug*

I agree that the narrative is annoying, but it's a completely minor issue. Voting for a guy like Trump because one is annoyed by the "narrative" of leftish silliness is like aiming a shotgun at one's own face because one is irritated at having broken out with pimples.

[Fate]

If pro-life is your issue, the choice was clear. If overturning Obamacare was your issue, the choice was clear. If tax cuts are your issue, the choice was clear. A Trump voter does not have to necessarily think the dude is the second coming of Jesus. It's unreasonable to expect those kinds of voters to embrace a candidate who exposes the exact opposite of their deeply held beliefs.

[Caliga]

Most people that I know who have admitted to voting for Trump didn't like Trump, they just thought he was the lesser of two evils vs. Hillary.

[The Minsky Moment]

If pro-life is your issue, the choice was clear.

Right.  McMullin.

[Fate]

Most people that I know who have admitted to voting for Trump didn't like Trump, they just thought he was the lesser of two evils vs. Hillary.

And a lot of that perception is her own damn fault.

Why the fuck did you go around giving speeches to Wall Street after 2012 when you KNEW you were going to run 4 years later? Why the fuck would you let the Clinton foundation have any whiff of controversial donations while you were SoS or after you left government in 2012? Why the fuck did we have to deal with your email server for more than a year? Why the fuck did John Podesta or any of your senior staff have such piss poor cyber security, especially after the DNC hack many months prior to that? You knew the Russians had it in for you. Yet you let Podesta use a god damn gmail account without two factor authentication.

They were incompetent. And now in the aftermath the seniors in the Clinton campaign are blaming everyone but themselves.

[OttoVonBismarck]

This retarded narrative is what pisses a lot of people off and makes them vote trump.   

What is more retarded:  writing a narrative that might not be accurate in its conclusions, or voting to give a moron the power to randomly ruin your life because that vote also gives him the power to randomly ruin the life of someone who promoted conclusions you find retarded?

I don't think people voted for Trump because they were pissed off at op-ed pieces in a British newspaper.  I think they voted for trump because they thought magic was the best way to solve the country's problems.  They fucked up; they trusted Trump.  The fact that few of them will admit to voting for Trump tells you how embarrassed they are by their indulgence in magical thinking, but the die is cast.

Eh, but there's another side to it, namely political strategy. I think the main lesson is, the rust belt blue collar whites, who flipped for Trump and who voted for Obama, wanted that magical economic message and didn't care about the other stuff. Certainly the proportion of racists found in the cohort of "middle aged, rust belt, white men without college degrees" is higher than most other cohorts, but I don't think most of them said "man, I love racism, let's vote for that." As you say, they voted for magic.

But you know who else did? Many of FDRs voters. FDR was an effete, wealthy coastal liberal and he wouldn't want to share a dinner table with many of the people he championed and made grandiose promises to; but FDR recognized something--to counteract the bad tendencies of more authoritarian leaning polemics, you need sweeping, grandiose, simplistic promises. Hillary went the technocrat route, which just wasn't effective strategically.

We can lament our voters responding to less intelligent rhetoric, or we can recognize it's just the way the world works and recognize that's what people wanting to defeat Trump in '20 need to do next time.

Now, obviously the analogue to FDR's era isn't perfect. FDR was running during a true catastrophe. The "overall" economy is pretty damn good in America right now. The wage stagnation and loss of the rust belt whites is certainly real, but also much less dire than the Great Depression, Trump was good in framing it in apocalyptic terms, so he was successful to a degree in magnifying a real issue by "convincing the voters they were in crisis."

tl;dr: You don't beat right wing populism with lectures and restrained genteel behavior, you beat it with left wing populism, then you run a better ground game, better strategic allocation and beat them on the field.

[Phillip V]

Chris Christie FIRED.  Mike Pence taking over transition team.

[Fate]

If pro-life is your issue, the choice was clear.

Right.  McMullin.

How on earth would splitting the GOP vote result in a better outcome for pro-lifers? Even assuming Trump is a complete disaster in all other respects for base GOP voters, an anti-Roe majority will probably happen in Trump's first term and potentially will shift the court to the right for a generation. If abortion is the end all and be all of your issues, McMullin wasn't a realistic choice.

[Berkut]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/10/misogyny-us-election-voters

I've heard enough of the white male rage narrative

America's white working classes have suffered. But it shouldn't be taboo to call voters out for falling for racist and sexist messages

'Grab 'em by the pussy" was the line that was supposed to have ended Donald Trump's campaign for presidency. Instead it turned out to be one of the most astonishing and successful strategies for the highest office. In a campaign based on racism, misogyny and bullying, Trump proved that boasting about sexually assaulting women, far from ruining a man's career, can boost it; and white women voted for him in droves. Grab 'em by the pussy, indeed. The first black American president will now be succeeded by a man endorsed by the Ku Klux Klan. This, according to Trump and his supporters, male and female, is what the American dream actually looks like.

A lot will be written about how Trump's victory represents a backlash of rage from the white working classes. The election of Trump, this narrative goes, proves how these people feel ignored by the elite politicians and metropolitan media. We need to hear more from these people, the argument continues, and how they have suffered because of globalisation, the demise of industry, the opioid crisis, the death of the American dream.

It's interesting, this take, not least because, far from being a "working-class revolt", 48% of those who earn more than $250,000 and 49% of white college graduate voters chose Trump. But even leaving that aside, to say that no one took notice of the angry white vote in this US election is awfully reminiscent of British politicians saying "no one talks about immigration", when it feels like – you know what? I think we got that base well and truly covered.

Far from ignoring the white working class during this election, they were written about so extensively by nervously placatory liberal journalists that these articles became a genre unto themselves, satirised perfectly by Benjamin Hart last week ("I couldn't help but notice that people in Bleaksville are angry ... I wanted to hear more but Ed explained that David Brooks had scheduled an interview with him to discuss whether he ate dinner with his family every night, and what it means for America.")

So here's an alternative take: we've heard enough of white rage now. Oh sure, listen to the grievances of enraged voters. But understanding them is different from indulging them, and the media and politicians – in the US and UK – have for too long conflated the two, encouraging the white victim narrative and stoking precisely the kind of nasty, race-baiting campaigns that led to Brexit and Trump (as the voter demographics have proved, the linking factor in Trump voters is not class but race).

Both campaigns promised to turn the clock back to a time when white men were in the ascendence, and both were fronted by privately educated false prophets such as Nigel Farage and Trump, absurdly privileged buccaneers who style themselves as friends of the working classes while pushing policies that work against them. They have bleached language of meaning, boasting that they aren't "career politicians" (now a negative thing as opposed to someone who has devoted their life to public service), and they scorn "experts" (who are now apparently the biggest threat to democracy).

Trump's supporters, like Brexit supporters before them, will say that these are merely the bleatings of the sore losers – the Remoaners, the Grimtons, or whatever portmanteau is conceived next. This objection always misses the obvious point that these people aren't mourning for themselves. Whereas those who voted for Trump and Brexit did so to turn time back for their personal benefit, those who voted for remain or Hillary Clinton did so because they know time only moves forward, and this benefits society. To try to force it back hurts everyone.

To call out voters for falling for such damagingly racist and sexist messages is viewed by politicians as a vote-killer and dangerously snobby by the media, as though working-class people are precious toddlers who must be humoured and can't possibly be held responsible for any flawed thinking. There is no doubt the white working classes in the west have suffered in recent decades, yet no other demographic that has endured similarly straitened circumstances is indulged in this way. For decades, American politicians have demonised the black working classes who suffered far worse structural inequalities and for far longer – and Trump continues to do so today.

And yet, as Stacey Pattoon wrote, only the white working classes are accorded this handwringing and insistent media empathy. No one is telling these voters to pull up their boot straps. The much-discussed American Dream is only considered "broken" when it's the white working classes who are suffering. When it's African-Americans, they are simply lazy and morally flawed.

But Clinton, according to the politicians and journalists who indulge inverted narratives, was seen as simply too corrupt and establishment by these voters. "Trump's election is an unmistakable rejection of a political establishment and an economic system that simply isn't working for most people," Jeremy Corbyn said, as though the election of a racist property billionaire who inherited his wealth was the class warrior triumph we've all been waiting for. But if anyone thinks that, it is because the media promoted false equivalencies throughout this campaign to a degree never before seen.

On Tuesday, the Times headlined its editorial about the election "Tough Choice", as if the decision between a woman who used the wrong email server and a racist, sexist, tax-dodging bully wasn't, in fact, the easiest choice in the world. Clinton's private email server was covered more ferociously than Trump's misogyny. That Clinton had talked at Goldman Sachs was reported as a financial flaw somehow analogous to his non-payment of tax. However much people want to blame the Democrats, their voters or Clinton herself, the result of this election is due at least as much to anyone who pushed the narrative that Clinton and Trump were equally or even similarly "bad".

Shame on them. The most qualified candidate in a generation was defeated by the least qualified of all time. That is what misogyny looks like, and, like all bigotries, it will end up dragging us all down.

This retarded narrative is what pisses a lot of people off and makes them vote trump.   

What is retarded is the new narrative that we are being asked to accept that is..."We voted for racism and bigotry in retaliation for being called racists and bigots! That'll show 'em!"

[viper37]

The root of all problems is the white hiterlite male! They're all rapists, racists, and holding us down!

Maybe some are saying it is the case, but that's not what the op-ed says.  It says the whites are whiners.  They complain about hardships that others have endured silently in the past.  It's far different then saying they are the root of all problems.

That whole line of thinking is just asinine.  If you wonder why this ongoing push is pissing a lot of people off, then you're out of touch as 50% of the country just voted against it.  *shrug*

Well, is it so hard to understand?  "Grab them by the pussy" became a rallying cry for the supposedly right winger movement.  He advocated the use of violence against his political opponents like in the good old days and his cheerleaders, well, they cheared.

His main policies were:
- America is weak because of Mexico.
- America is weak because of Mexico and Canada.
- America is weak because of Europe.
- America is weak because of military involvement in Asia.
- America is weak because other countries don't have a nuclear arsenal.
- America is weak because the Democrats exists.
- America is weak because black lives shouldn't matter.

Last I check, the whites were still the majority in your country.  They outnumber indians, blacks and latinos.  They hold most of the key position.  When a black man reaches an important position, he is contained so he can't do much, and people organize protest to kill the nigger.  When a woman aims for the top position, she's a feminazi.  If a woman questions the silly ideas proposed, she has blood in her eyes, she has blood everywhere.

So, the white male is still pretty much in power.  And they fail.  Miserably, according to Trump supporters.  Do they look at their own fault?  The rejection of education?  The rejection of science and rational thought?  The obstruction to any kind of change proposed by the government that would depart from the traditional view that has put them in the situation they are now?
Nope.
They blame Niggers.  Mexican rapists.  Canadian scums.  Arab terrorists.  They applaud when a foreign power threatens America's security while yelling "Make America great again".

In my mind, they are whiners and losers.  And that's the reason whey they keep voting for Republicans when they put them in that mess.

The Republicans butched the war on terror.  If you can't do the job, don't volunteer for it.  They failed in Afghanistan, they failed in Irak.  When they realized they failed, they bailed out and said it was not their problem anymore.  Then they whine that somebody else is inapt at fixing the mess they didn't want to fix.

They lose jobs to competition.  Do they try to do something different?  No, they whine to their politicians that impose tariffs because the Americans are too lazy to implement new solutions that would make them competitive again.

All the Republicans do is complain, complain, complain.  No shred of a solution, but very quick to shift the blame to others.  When blaming the Jews and the blacks was out of fashion, they blamed the Canadians.  Then the Arabs.  Then the Mexicans.  Then the establishment.  Then the media.  Seems to me like a regime like that is always able to find itself new ennemies, but never able to fix their own mess by changing themselves.

If America wants to be great again, Republicans need to change.  They need to accept this is the 21st century, not the 19th.

[Zanza]

Chris Christie FIRED.  Mike Pence taking over transition team.

[The Minsky Moment]

Finally putting the reality into reality TV

[The Minsky Moment]

If pro-life is your issue, the choice was clear.

Right.  McMullin.

How on earth would splitting the GOP vote result in a better outcome for pro-lifers?

Don't know
I mentioned McMullin because IIRC he was the only real pro life candidate running

[CountDeMoney]

Christie abandoned Him when the night was darkest, and He had not forgotten.

[CountDeMoney]

I mentioned McMullin because IIRC he was the only real pro life candidate running

Pence.  You think Trump gives two shits about that?  No.  Pence will be pushing that agenda on the day-to-day basis.  Fetus funerals for all.