What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

[Admiral Yi]

I don't know what prompted your move to the anti Clearly Not Literal team Garbon, but I'm happy to welcome you aboard.

[garbon]

I don't know what prompted your move to the anti Clearly Not Literal team Garbon, but I'm happy to welcome you aboard.

Ish.

I'm taking issue with the claim no one is fighting back being levied off the back of a scenario where the state is actually fighting back. I don't know what would then qualify as fighting back if this isn't an example:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/3324588/kathy-hochul-lets-loose-trump-congestion-pricing/

"Donald Trump isn't a 'king' and we won't let him use New Yorkers as roadkill on his revenge tour," Hochul captioned a post of her press conference. "We'll see him in court."

"I'm here to say: New York hasn't labored under a king in over 250 years," she said Wednesday to cheers. "We sure as hell are not going to start now."

Going beyond congestion pricing, Hochul said the issue was secondary and that Trump's move represented "an attack on our sovereign identity, our independence from Washington."

"We are not subservient to a king or anyone else out of Washington," she said. "So this is the fight we're in. We're fighting for our residents, our commuters, our riders, our drivers, our emergency personnel."

Echoing the argument that congestion pricing would reduce pollution, Hochul argued she was "fighting for" people with asthma and other illnesses.

"The streets of this city, where battles were fought — we stood up to a king," she said. "And we won then. And in case you don't know New Yorkers, when we're in a fight, we do not back down."

Hochul announced that the Metropolitan Transportation Authority has begun legal proceedings in the Southern District of New York to fight Trump's decision.

[viper37]

Not sure how credible this source is; take with lots of salt, I suppose?

It's been talked a lot when it happened.

[mongers]

I don't know what prompted your move to the anti Clearly Not Literal team Garbon, but I'm happy to welcome you aboard.

Ish.

I'm taking issue with the claim no one is fighting back being levied off the back of a scenario where the state is actually fighting back. I don't know what would then qualify as fighting back if this isn't an example:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/3324588/kathy-hochul-lets-loose-trump-congestion-pricing/

"Donald Trump isn't a 'king' and we won't let him use New Yorkers as roadkill on his revenge tour," Hochul captioned a post of her press conference. "We'll see him in court."

"I'm here to say: New York hasn't labored under a king in over 250 years," she said Wednesday to cheers. "We sure as hell are not going to start now."

Going beyond congestion pricing, Hochul said the issue was secondary and that Trump's move represented "an attack on our sovereign identity, our independence from Washington."

"We are not subservient to a king or anyone else out of Washington," she said. "So this is the fight we're in. We're fighting for our residents, our commuters, our riders, our drivers, our emergency personnel."

Echoing the argument that congestion pricing would reduce pollution, Hochul argued she was "fighting for" people with asthma and other illnesses.

"The streets of this city, where battles were fought — we stood up to a king," she said. "And we won then. And in case you don't know New Yorkers, when we're in a fight, we do not back down."

Hochul announced that the Metropolitan Transportation Authority has begun legal proceedings in the Southern District of New York to fight Trump's decision.

Well that seems like a thought out and credible respone, good luck to New York state.

[PJL]

Trump could claims the kingships of Denmark/Norway/Sweden/Scotland but unless all other claimants and actual occupants of those kingdoms either abdicate or renounce their claim, he is in no position to be able to do so.

 Of those claims the Kingdom of Scotland is probably the most applicable to the US, However that would entice the current holder, Charles III and all the claimants there on in to abdicate & renounce their claim. Furthermore it would also have to entail that the USA renounce its independence and become a British Colony again. Of course, more likely these days is that that it would more or less follow the Canadian model and Trump could become the governor general of the USA. As a a very distant relative, that would be somehow appropriate and colonial too.

An interesting alternative take could be that Trump could just announce he is King of the USA and that would be his right to do so as I can't see anyone else wanting to claim it. He could even claim Canada through a spurious casus belli like the kings of old. Arguably he could even claim Greenland this way through his Danish/Norwegian royal heritage.

[Baron von Schtinkenbutt]

Well that seems like a thought out and credible respone, good luck to New York state.

I'm so glad Hochul is in charge right now, instead of Andrew "Name a Bridge After Daddy" Cuomo.

[crazy canuck]

Is the state really just rolling over and playing dead?

Everybody is.

Odd given a lawsuit was immediately filed and the governor supports it.

That lawsuit and five bucks will get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks.

As I think we have discussed before the court system and our system of justice, generally relies on people acting within the rule of law. When something like this happens, the courts get overwhelmed. Not just because it takes years for a court case to wend its way through the system, but there is simply not enough judges, and not enough courtrooms to hear all of the cases that could potentially be filed based on the actions of the Trump administration in the last three weeks.

Add to that the fact that the Republicans have successfully infiltrated the court system with stooges, and I start to wonder why you would have any faith that filing a lawsuit means anything.

You said "everyone is" in relation to rolling over and playing dead. New York is decidedly not doing that. Whether they are effective or not is immaterial to your claim

Yes, some courageous local officials, but I am referring to everyone with power and authority.

Where is Congress, as just one example?  Oh right, the majority are in jackboot step with the dictator and the minority are entirely ineffective.

[Valmy]

Even if Congress 100% agrees with all of this stuff they should STILL oppose it because it would be giving up their control and power. That is how it is designed. Madison and company just assumed institutions like power and influence.

But Congress just likes the money and the status and getting re-elected, they generally hate taking any responsibility for anything. They are happy to let the President and lobbyists do their job.

And that is why our constitutional government is failing.

[crazy canuck]

Even if Congress 100% agrees with all of this stuff they should STILL oppose it because it would be giving up their control and power. That is how it is designed. Madison and company just assumed institutions like power and influence.

But Congress just likes the money and the status and getting re-elected, they generally hate taking any responsibility for anything. They are happy to let the President and lobbyists do their job.

And that is why our constitutional government is failing.

I think the critique is that the US system of government stopped being about competing institutional powers the moment the party system began.  Now it is a competition between parties rather amongst branches of government.  That seems a good explanation for the total failure of the Senate to take its confirmation powers seriously, as just one example.

[garbon]

Is the state really just rolling over and playing dead?

Everybody is.

Odd given a lawsuit was immediately filed and the governor supports it.

That lawsuit and five bucks will get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks.

As I think we have discussed before the court system and our system of justice, generally relies on people acting within the rule of law. When something like this happens, the courts get overwhelmed. Not just because it takes years for a court case to wend its way through the system, but there is simply not enough judges, and not enough courtrooms to hear all of the cases that could potentially be filed based on the actions of the Trump administration in the last three weeks.

Add to that the fact that the Republicans have successfully infiltrated the court system with stooges, and I start to wonder why you would have any faith that filing a lawsuit means anything.

You said "everyone is" in relation to rolling over and playing dead. New York is decidedly not doing that. Whether they are effective or not is immaterial to your claim

Yes, some courageous local officials, but I am referring to everyone with power and authority.

Where is Congress, as just one example?  Oh right, the majority are in jackboot step with the dictator and the minority are entirely ineffective.

Well I guess self fulfilling if no resistance matters unless it is everyone.

[Jacob]

Well I guess self fulfilling if no resistance matters unless it is everyone.

Yeah, I think one of the fundamental requirements to for resistance to work is the will to continue resisting even in moments where it seems futile.

I've caught glimpses of American resistance - protests, official actions, etc - but curiously it doesn't seem to be getting much coverage in the media I'm coming across (social or traditional) 

[viper37]

I've caught glimpses of American resistance - protests, official actions, etc - but curiously it doesn't seem to be getting much coverage in the media I'm coming across (social or traditional) 

There is coverage in local medias and on Reddit.  The far left have their own sub Reddit, r/50501, and dedicated r/50501 for each large cities.

National medias are keeping shut about this.  Canadian medias report what large American medias report and what they see on X and TruthSocial.

[crazy canuck]

Well I guess self fulfilling if no resistance matters unless it is everyone.

Agreed. But who made that point?

[viper37]

Also, Kash Pattel was confirmed as head of the FBI.

[garbon]

Well I guess self fulfilling if no resistance matters unless it is everyone.

Agreed. But who made that point?

Someone stuck in despair?