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What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

Started by FunkMonk, November 08, 2016, 11:02:57 PM

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Syt

So if courts hold Trump in criminal contempt he would be immune, right? And if any of the executive are held in contempt I assume he could just pardon them right away? :unsure:
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Admiral Yi

Quote from: Syt on February 19, 2025, 06:38:06 AMSo if courts hold Trump in criminal contempt he would be immune, right? And if any of the executive are held in contempt I assume he could just pardon them right away? :unsure:

My understanding is the SC ruling only limited the DOJ, not the courts.

viper37

Married Women Could Be Stopped From Voting Under SAVE Act

Voter suppression is coming, as predicted.

QuoteThe act, reintroduced by Texas Republican Representative Chip Roy, is intended to amend the National Voter Registration Act to ensure that all people registering to vote are U.S. citizens. It would require people to present in-person documentation as proof of citizenship when registering to vote.

Much of the documentation listed under the SAVE Act is based on having a birth certificate that matches the person registering to vote. However, as many as 69 million married women in the United States have changed their legal name since getting married, meaning their name does not match their birth certificate, according to the Center for American Progress.


Basically, you need a recognized ID in your name, ideally a passport.
Many women in the US change their legal name to the name of their husband upon marriage, so they would not be able to prove their name match the name on their birth certificate.

Virginia tried to pull this stunt before, but Biden stopped it.
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Valmy

A bill so stupid only a Texas rep could have written it.

Why not just have somebody produce ID that matches the name on their fucking voter's registration? Why do you need everybody to go fish out their birth certificates? And I don't know if those things are as tamper proof and iron clad as Roy seems to think  :lol:
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grumbler

Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 19, 2025, 06:59:33 AM
Quote from: Syt on February 19, 2025, 06:38:06 AMSo if courts hold Trump in criminal contempt he would be immune, right? And if any of the executive are held in contempt I assume he could just pardon them right away? :unsure:

My understanding is the SC ruling only limited the DOJ, not the courts.

But the US Marshals who enforce court orders are part of the executive branch and so may only do so with the acquiescence of the administration.  Criminal contempt is only onerous if there are consequenses.
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Savonarola

Quote from: celedhring on February 19, 2025, 04:07:08 AMThat's what I would pay over here for a dozen good quality (i.e. organic) eggs.

It will probably get worse here (or last for a long time) since the problems stem from an avian flu epidemic, and Trump just laid off a large number of United States Department of Agriculture employees, the department combatting the epidemic.
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The Minsky Moment

Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 19, 2025, 06:59:33 AM
Quote from: Syt on February 19, 2025, 06:38:06 AMSo if courts hold Trump in criminal contempt he would be immune, right? And if any of the executive are held in contempt I assume he could just pardon them right away? :unsure:

My understanding is the SC ruling only limited the DOJ, not the courts.

I don't think so, criminal immunity is criminal immunity, should apply to criminal contempt.  The distinction is irrelevant anyways; if a Court ordered Trump to punished for contempt for ignoring its orders, Trump would just ignore the contempt order as well.
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Tamas

So what's the feedback from your Trump supporter friends and family?

It is of zero representative value but this Hungarian news article-commenter forum I frequent had like 3 loud pro-Trump idiots, they have been totally silenced since like a week after the victory.

celedhring

Quote from: Tamas on February 19, 2025, 09:10:46 AMSo what's the feedback from your Trump supporter friends and family?

It is of zero representative value but this Hungarian news article-commenter forum I frequent had like 3 loud pro-Trump idiots, they have been totally silenced since like a week after the victory.

Yeah, over here I'm seeing a similar phenomenon. In the end it is quite hard to put yourself forward as a nationalist while cuddling up to an increasingly hostile foreign power

Valmy

#35829
The followers are happy. Government bureaucrats are being fired and they hate government bureaucrats and would probably like for them all to be shot but losing their jobs will have to do. They believe all the bullshit Musk and company release about all the corruption and waste they are finding, particularly all the 150 year olds on social security.

They think lots of bathwater is being thrown out and that justifies a few babies. But in reality it is tons of babies being thrown out with a bit of bathwater besides.

I don't know how the normies are feeling about it.

Personally I am not surprised about a big bureaucratic purge, I just wish it was being done in coordination with Congress and the Judicial branch and being done with thoughtfulness with clear objectives. Instead it is just the personal project of a rich guy who bribed a politician. And now it looks like runs the whole country and will for sometime to come.
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Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

viper37

Quote from: Tamas on February 19, 2025, 09:10:46 AMSo what's the feedback from your Trump supporter friends and family?

It is of zero representative value but this Hungarian news article-commenter forum I frequent had like 3 loud pro-Trump idiots, they have been totally silenced since like a week after the victory.
A morning radio host I listen to regularly still thinks Trump is going to do wonder with DOGE and it's an excellent laboratory for us to view the effects in a "confined environment" to see if it really works so we can implement our own version.

The guy who prides himself on telling his listeners to think with their heads and chastise others for being too naive.

I think he watched too many Hollywood movies where epidemics and chemical spills just stop at the Canadian border and never affect us.

Anyway.  He's off the air for a week, I'm listening to my playlist.

It's not like there's anything else interesting to listen to on radio.  It's either rightwing idiots, leftwing morons, or girly talk.
I don't do meditation.  I drink alcohol to relax, like normal people.

If Microsoft Excel decided to stop working overnight, the world would practically end.

viper37

Quote from: Valmy on February 19, 2025, 09:26:28 AMthe 150 year olds on social security.
Having guys who don't know anything about Cobol running these systems is freaky.
I don't do meditation.  I drink alcohol to relax, like normal people.

If Microsoft Excel decided to stop working overnight, the world would practically end.

Tamas

Confined environment  :lol:


I really should just hunker down and re-emerge in 4 years. The nuclear flashes and mushroom clouds will inform me anyhow if things have broken for good.

Barrister

Quote from: viper37 on February 19, 2025, 10:23:17 AMIt's not like there's anything else interesting to listen to on radio.  It's either rightwing idiots, leftwing morons, or girly talk.

My friend - get yourself some podcasts!

I do seek out political podcasts so that's on me.  But if I don't want politics I can listen to endless sports podcasts and never have politics intrude.
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Syt

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-administration-keeps-usaid-contracts-frozen-despite-court-order-2025-02-19/

QuoteTrump administration keeps USAID contracts frozen despite court order

Feb 19 (Reuters) - The Trump administration said in a court filing late Tuesday night that it is not disbursing funds for thousands of foreign aid contracts and grants despite a federal judge's order last week to lift a widespread freeze on foreign aid funding.

The administration said in the filing that it was complying with U.S. District Judge Amir Ali's temporary restraining order, pointing to a line in the order saying that the U.S. Agency for International Development and the State Department were not barred from "enforcing the terms of contracts and grants."

It said it was reviewing the frozen agreements and had determined that all of them allowed the administration to terminate or suspend them, either on their own terms or "implicitly."


It also said that USAID and the State Department had legal authority to halt payments that did not depend on President Donald Trump's January 20 executive order freezing foreign aid, which Ali's order barred the administration from enforcing.

The administration asked that, if it had "misunderstood" Ali's temporary order, the judge convert it into a longer-term injunction that it would be able to appeal immediately.

Peter Maybarduk of the legal group Public Citizen, which represents the non-profit plaintiffs, in an email called the filing "outrageous" and said that "people who long have been partners of the United States, in vulnerable situations around the world, will suffer as a result of this failure to restore funding, funding the U.S already had promised, and that a court last week ordered the government provide."
I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.
—Stephen Jay Gould

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