What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

[Admiral Yi]

I'm reasonably sure that won't hold up in court, though I don't really know all that much about immigration law.

Sure, but I'm amazed it can even get that far.  I would think it would be an unlawful order for ICE to obey.

[Syt]

For those of you that actually expect us to live through all this, Der Furor removed the Director of National Intelligence and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff from the National Security Council's Principals Committee, and replaced them with Steve Bannon and Rinse Grievous.

Just so you know.

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/08/breitbart-stephen-bannon-donald-trump-master-plan

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But when I talked with Bannon, he expressed a wariness about the political genuineness of the Trump campaign persona. Trump is a "blunt instrument for us," he told me earlier this summer. "I don't know whether he really gets it or not."

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And here's 2015 Dick Cheney commenting on a potential Muslim ban:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/dick-cheney-donald-trump-muslim-ban-extreme

Even former Vice President Dick Cheney has denounced Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump's plan to ban Muslim immigration in America.

Cheney, a decisive conservative himself, said Monday on The Hugh Hewitt Show that the ban "goes against everything we stand for and believe in."

"I think this whole notion that somehow we can just say no more Muslims, just ban a whole religion, goes against everything we stand for and believe in. I mean, religious freedom has been a very important part of our history and where we came from," Cheney said on a Monday appearance on the radio show. "A lot of people, my ancestors got here, because they were Puritans."

Cheney called Trump's plan a "mistaken notion" and said to solve refugee and immigration problems, the U.S. must examine why they need to leave their countries in the first place.

"It's a serious problem to make certain that the people coming in don't represent ISIS. You've got to set up a vetting process," Cheney said.

Listen to Cheney here. The comments on the ban start at 19:50.

[Syt]

What a clusterfuck.

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/28/politics/donald-trump-travel-ban/index.html

Inside the confusion of the Trump executive order and travel ban

Washington (CNN)When President Donald Trump declared at the Pentagon Friday he was enacting strict new measures to prevent domestic terror attacks, there were few within his government who knew exactly what he meant.

Administration officials weren't immediately sure which countries' citizens would be barred from entering the United States. The Department of Homeland Security was left making a legal analysis on the order after Trump signed it. A Border Patrol agent, confronted with arriving refugees, referred questions only to the President himself, according to court filings.

Saturday night, a federal judge granted an emergency stay for citizens of the affected countries who had already arrived in the US and those who are in transit and hold valid visas, ruling they can legally enter the US.

Trump's unilateral moves, which have drawn the ire of human rights groups and prompted protests at US airports, reflect the President's desire to quickly make good on his campaign promises. But they also encapsulate the pitfalls of an administration largely operated by officials with scant federal experience.

It wasn't until Friday -- the day Trump signed the order banning travel from seven Muslim-majority countries for 90 days and suspending all refugee admission for 120 days -- that career homeland security staff were allowed to see the final details of the order, a person familiar with the matter said.

The result was widespread confusion across the country on Saturday as airports struggled to adjust to the new directives. In New York, two Iraqi nationals sued the federal government after they were detained at John F. Kennedy International Airport, and 10 others were detained as well.

In Philadelphia, a Syrian family of six who had a visa through a family connection in the US was placed on a return flight to Doha, Qatar, and Department of Homeland Security officials said others who were in the air would be detained upon arrival and put back on a plane to their home country.

Asked during a photo opportunity in the Oval Office Saturday afternoon about the rollout, Trump said his government was "totally prepared."

"It's working out very nicely," Trump told reporters. "You see it at the airports. You see it all over. It's working out very nicely and we're going to have a very, very strict ban, and we're going to have extreme vetting, which we should have had in this country for many years."

The policy team at the White House developed the executive order on refugees and visas, and largely avoided the traditional interagency process that would have allowed the Justice Department and homeland security agencies to provide operational guidance, according to numerous officials who spoke to CNN on Saturday.

Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly and Department of Homeland Security leadership saw the final details shortly before the order was finalized, government officials said.

Friday night, DHS arrived at the legal interpretation that the executive order restrictions applying to seven countries -- Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Syria, Sudan and Yemen -- did not apply to people who with lawful permanent residence, generally referred to as green card holders.

The White House overruled that guidance overnight, according to officials familiar with the rollout. That order came from the President's inner circle, led by Stephen Miller and Steve Bannon. Their decision held that, on a case by case basis, DHS could allow green card holders to enter the US.

There had been some debate whether green card holders should be even allowed to board international flights. It was decided by the Department of Homeland Security they could fly to the US and would be considered on a case-by-case basis after passing a secondary screening.

But the guidance sent to airlines on Friday night, obtained by CNN, said clearly, "lawful permanent residents are not included and may continue to travel to the USA."

As of Saturday afternoon, Customs and Border Protection continued to issue the same guidance to airlines as it did Friday, telling airlines that fly to the US that green card holders can board planes to the US but they may get extra scrutiny on arrival, according to an airline official.

Before the President issued the order, the White House did not seek the legal guidance of the Office of Legal Counsel, the Justice Department office that interprets the law for the executive branch. A source said the executive order did not follow the standard agency review process that's typically overseen by the National Security Council, though the source couldn't specifically say if that included the decision to not have the order go through the Office of Legal Counsel.

Separately, a person familiar with the matter said career officials in charge of enforcing the executive order were not fully briefed on the specifics until Friday. The officials were caught off guard by some of the specifics and raised questions about how to handle the new banned passengers on US-bound planes.

Regarding the green card holders and some of the confusion about whether they were impacted, the person familiar with the matter said if career officials had known more about the executive order earlier, some of the confusion could have been avoided and a better plan could be in place.

Administration officials also defended the process Saturday. They said the people who needed to be briefed ahead of time on the plane were briefed and that people at the State Department and DHS who were involved in the process were able to make decisions about who to talk and inform about this.

Bannon and Miller were running point on this order and giving directives regarding green cards, according to a Republican close to the White House.

But even after the Friday afternoon announcement, administration officials at the White House took several hours to produce text of the action until several hours after it was signed. Adviser Kellyanne Conway even said at one point it was not going to be released before eventually it did get sent out.

Administration officials also seemed unsure at first who was covered in the action, and a list of impacted countries was only produced later on Friday night, hours after the President signed the document at the Pentagon.

[Zanza]

Amateurs

[Admiral Yi]

  God bless America.

[celedhring]

How do EOs work in the US? Does the president just shit them without any procedure in place? In Spain all cabinet members have to be present when decrees are drafted and issued, they are supposed to bring up shit like "how are we going to implement this", "can we actually do that"?

Trump seems to believe reality changes by the stroke of his pen.

[The Brain]

Why did you guys elect a fucking clown?

[Syt]

Why did you guys elect a fucking clown?

Clown, you say?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZimUONQFoE

[Zanza]

I can see a potential constitutional crisis where the executive does not accept the role of the independent judiciary anymore and does not implement court decisions. That's usually one of the first steps of an authoritarian executive.

[garbon]

Seriously, Republicans lawmakers better step the fuck up. This is how they lose the power they crave so much.

[Eddie Teach]

They're not gonna lose power for banning Muslims.

[garbon]

They're not gonna lose power for banning Muslims.

I mean Trump continuing down the path of do far reaching EOs - not that their constituents are going to turn on them.

[The Brain]

How do EOs work in the US? Does the president just shit them without any procedure in place? In Spain all cabinet members have to be present when decrees are drafted and issued, they are supposed to bring up shit like "how are we going to implement this", "can we actually do that"?

Trump seems to believe reality changes by the stroke of his pen.

Poorly. Yes.

[Syt]

Also up for grabs: net neutrality.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/24/technology/fcc-net-neutrality/

President Trump officially picked Pai on Monday to serve as the next chairman of the Federal Communications Commission, the agency that reviews media mergers and broadcast licenses.
But it's Pai's opposition to existing net neutrality rules that worries many in tech and media most.

The net neutrality rules, approved by the FCC in 2015 amid an outpouring of online support, are intended to keep the Internet open and fair.

As written, the rules prevent Internet providers like Comcast (CCV) and AT&T (T, Tech30) from deliberately speeding up or slowing down traffic from specific websites and apps. In short, they're intended to prevent providers from playing favorites.

When the rules were first approved, Pai criticized it by quoting Emperor Palpatine from Star Wars. After Trump's victory, Pai said he believed a change was finally coming.

"On the day that the [rules were] adopted, I said that 'I don't know whether this plan will be vacated by a court, reversed by Congress, or overturned by a future Commission. But I do believe that its days are numbered," Pai said in a speech last month. "Today, I am more confident than ever that this prediction will come true."

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[FunkMonk]

Amateurs

The American people decided they didn't want professionals anymore.

The American people are getting what they voted for.