What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

Started by FunkMonk, November 08, 2016, 11:02:57 PM

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Zanza

QuoteChina, Japan, and South Korea have agreed to coordinate their response to US tariffs, a social media account linked to Chinese state broadcaster CCTV reported Monday.

The decision follows the first economic dialogue between the three nations in five years, held on Sunday as they seek to bolster regional trade amid concerns over US President Donald Trump's tariff policies.
Another step towards the peace prize: getting China, Korea and Japan to work together. Great success!

Baron von Schtinkenbutt

Quote from: Zanza on March 31, 2025, 02:37:27 PMAnother step towards the peace prize: getting China, Korea and Japan to work together. Great success!

Trump really is going to bring peace and unite the world... against the US. :P :(  :hide:

Crazy_Ivan80


Syt

The rhetoric on FOX News is getting a bit mad.

https://www.mediamatters.org/fox-news/jesse-watters-if-we-have-burn-down-few-bridges-denmark-take-greenland-were-big-boys

QuoteJESSE WATTERS (HOST): Dumb power is fighting unwinnable wars, defunding the police, opening the border. Feeble is falling down and falling asleep. And being friendly to the world is what got us in this mess. We're not in high school. We don't need friends.

Every country puts their interests first. And when our interests align, we can do business. And when they don't, that's life. If we have to burn down a few bridges with Denmark to take Greenland, we're big boys. We dropped A-bombs on Japan and now they're our top ally in the Pacific. We may have to burn a bridge to build a big, beautiful new one to the next generation. America is not handcuffed by history.

(With global warming, it was a question of time before more interest gets shifted towards arctic regions that become more easily accessible. I guess I was expecting it to be  bit more subtle :P )
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Richard Hakluyt

I think we can agree though that the USA is not in high school; maybe pre-school or the first year of elementary school.

dist

So wait, now it's our fault if they elected Trump?

Quote from: SytJESSE WATTERS (HOST): And being friendly to the world is what got us in this mess.

Syt

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2025/03/an-administrative-error-sends-a-man-to-a-salvadoran-prison/682254/

QuoteAn 'Administrative Error' Sends a Maryland Father to a Salvadoran Prison
The Trump administration says it mistakenly deported an immigrant with protected status but that courts are powerless to order his return.


The Trump administration acknowledged in a court filing Monday that it had grabbed a Maryland father with protected legal status and mistakenly deported him to El Salvador, but said that U.S. courts lack jurisdiction to order his return from the megaprison where he's now locked up.

The case appears to be the first time the Trump administration has admitted to errors when it sent three planeloads of Salvadoran and Venezuelan deportees to El Salvador's grim "Terrorism Confinement Center" on March 15. Attorneys for several Venezuelan deportees have said that the Trump administration falsely labeled their clients as gang members because of their tattoos. Trump officials have disputed those claims.

But in Monday's court filing, attorneys for the government admitted that the Salvadoran man, Kilmar Abrego Garcia, was deported accidentally. "Although ICE was aware of his protection from removal to El Salvador, Abrego Garcia was removed to El Salvador because of an administrative error," the government told the court. Trump lawyers said the court has no ability to bring him back now that Abrego Garcia is in Salvadoran custody.

Simon Sandoval-Moshenberg, Abrego Garcia's attorney, said he's never seen a case in which the government knowingly deported someone who had already received protected legal status from an immigration judge. He is asking the court to order the Trump administration to ask for Abrego Garcia's return and, if necessary, to withhold payment to the Salvadoran government, which says it's charging the United States $6 million a year to jail U.S. deportees.

Trump administration attorneys told the court to dismiss the request on multiple grounds, including that Trump's "primacy in foreign affairs" outweighs the interests of Abrego Garcia and his family.

"They claim that the court is powerless to order any relief,'' Sandoval-Moshenberg told me. "If that's true, the immigration laws are meaningless—all of them—because the government can deport whoever they want, wherever they want, whenever they want, and no court can do anything about it once it's done."

Court filings show Abrego Garcia came to the United States at age 16 in 2011 after fleeing gang threats in his native El Salvador. In 2019 he received a form of protected legal status known as "withholding of removal" from a U.S. immigration judge who found he would likely be targeted by gangs if deported back.

Abrego Garcia, who is married to a U.S. citizen and has a 5-year-old disabled child who is also a U.S. citizen, has no criminal record in the United States, according to his attorney. The Trump administration does not claim he has a criminal record, but called him a "danger to the community" and an active member of MS-13, the Salvadoran gang that Trump has declared a Foreign Terrorist Organization.

Sandoval-Moshenberg said those charges are false, and the gang label stems from a 2019 incident when Abrego Garcia and three other men were detained in a Home Depot parking lot by a police detective in Prince George's County, Maryland. During questioning, one of the men told officers Abrego Garcia was a gang member, but the man offered no proof and police said they didn't believe him, filings show. Police did not identify him as a gang member.

Abrego Garcia was not charged with a crime, but he was handed over to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement after the arrest to face deportation. In those proceedings, the government claimed that a reliable informant had identified him as a ranking member of MS-13. Abrego Garcia and his family hired an attorney and fought the government's attempt to deport him. He received "withholding of removal" six months later, a protected status.

It is not a path to permanent U.S. residency, but it means the government won't deport him back to his home country because he's more likely than not to face harm there.

Abrego Garcia has had no contact with any law enforcement agency since his release, according to his attorney. He works full time as a union sheetmetal apprentice, has complied with requirements to check in annually with ICE, and cares for his five-year-old son, who has autism and a hearing defect, and is unable to communicate verbally.

On March 12 Abrego Garcia had picked up his son after work from the boy's grandmother's house when ICE officers stopped the car, saying his protected status had changed. Officers waited for Abrego Garcia's wife to come to the scene and take care of the boy, then drove him away in handcuffs. Within two days he had been transferred to an ICE staging facility in Texas, along with other detainees the government was preparing to send to El Salvador. Trump had invoked the Alien Enemies Act of 1798, and the government planned to deport two planeloads of Venezuelans along with a separate group of Salvadorans.

So, how long until a US citizen (esp. naturalized, or born to immigrants) is "accidentally" sent to the El Salvador Gulag?
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Norgy

So this "Liberation Day" tariff fest, that looks promising.

The Minsky Moment

Quote from: Syt on April 01, 2025, 03:51:10 AMSo, how long until a US citizen (esp. naturalized, or born to immigrants) is "accidentally" sent to the El Salvador Gulag?

If the courts rule for the Government, then it will become commonplace.  Why not?
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Razgovory

That is intolerable.  The government should not be able to punish people with out legal recourse.
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Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Gups

"Trump administration attorneys told the court to dismiss the request on multiple grounds, including that Trump's "primacy in foreign affairs" outweighs the interests of Abrego Garcia and his family"

If that's not fascism right there, I don't know what is.

grumbler

Quote from: Gups on April 01, 2025, 09:25:33 AM"Trump administration attorneys told the court to dismiss the request on multiple grounds, including that Trump's "primacy in foreign affairs" outweighs the interests of Abrego Garcia and his family"

If that's not fascism right there, I don't know what is.

Unfortunately, that's exactly the formulation the USSC will use to cement the "rights" of the president emperor to override the Constitution.
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Bayraktar!

The Minsky Moment

The Gitmo cases under Bush established the precedent that habeas corpus extends to people detained in overseas jurisdictions where the US exercises de facto control.  What degree of US control is required remains to be decided.  Krisi Noem did the administration no favor with her visit as she is not with the State Department but the Department of HOMELAND Security. She referred to the Salvadoran facility as a "tool" in the DHS "toolkit." It's a contract to use the Salvadoran prison as a US prison. The Supreme Court should take jurisdiction here.  But Kennedy and O'Connor are long gone, and so I suspect they won't.
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Syt

So, what are the odds that Trump will call the Wisconsin Supreme Court vote fraudulent and set his lapdogs on it to "investigate" or find excuses to restrict voting access (beyond his previous executive orders)?
I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.
—Stephen Jay Gould

Proud owner of 42 Zoupa Points.

Richard Hakluyt

Part of the problem with the US right here :