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What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

Started by FunkMonk, November 08, 2016, 11:02:57 PM

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HVC

An act to bypass congress by creating a bill that congress must pass?
Being lazy is bad; unless you still get what you want, then it's called "patience".
Hubris must be punished. Severely.

Valmy

Eh...why not? I expect the Freedom Caucus to be outraged by this executive overreach.
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Valmy

Quote from: HVC on February 14, 2019, 09:03:33 PM
An act to bypass congress by creating a bill that congress must pass?

I believe that sentence is referring to the "Border Security" bill mentioned previously in the article.
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grumbler

Quote from: HVC on February 14, 2019, 09:03:33 PM
An act to bypass congress by creating a bill that congress must pass?

The president won't create a bill.  He will sign the bill, and then declare that the border is an emergency.  He'll then try to steal money from other military construction projects to build a wall from sea to shining sea.  The localities where the money was to be spent will sue, on the grounds that he hasn't demonstrated an emergency.  A stay of his redirection of funds will be issued, and the case will drag on in the courts until January, 2021, when it will become moot.  The money will never be spent, either on the wall or on the authorized military construction.  Everyone will lose, but Trump will declare himself, and the country, as the winners.

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Monoriu

Quote from: grumbler on February 14, 2019, 09:27:09 PM
A stay of his redirection of funds will be issued, and the case will drag on in the courts until January, 2021, when it will become moot. 

I am not entirely sure that this will come to pass  :ph34r:

Admiral Yi

It will be educational to learn what legal limitations there are on a president's power to declare an emergency.

FunkMonk

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-15/trump-is-said-to-plan-8-billion-for-wall-invoking-own-authority?utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&utm_source=twitter&utm_content=business&utm_medium=social&cmpid=socialflow-twitter-business

QuoteTrump Plans to Unilaterally Shift Almost $7 Billion for Wall, Official Says
By Margaret Talev
February 14, 2019, 8:56 PM EST
Updated on February 14, 2019, 9:24 PM EST
Plans to redirect nearly $7 billion approved for other uses
Congress approved spending package averting second shutdown
Trump Said to Sign Funding Bill, Plans Emergency Declaration
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The White House says Trump will sign the compromise spending bill to avert another shutdown. Derek Wallbank reports.
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Donald Trump plans to use unilateral authority to spend more than $8 billion to construct physical barriers along the U.S.-Mexico border, according to a White House official, a maneuver that risks provoking a lengthy legal battle over presidential powers.

The president will invoke an emergency declaration to redirect some of the federal funds and ordinary executive authority to tap other money, all of which has been approved by Congress for other purposes, said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity. The official declined to be identified because the decision hasn't been announced and wouldn't describe the funding sources Trump plans to tap.

The president plans to redirect nearly $7 billion approved for other purposes to the wall on top of $1.375 billion for 55 miles of border fencing contained in a spending measure Trump is poised to sign Friday. The strategy avoids another politically risky government shutdown while allowing him to show his political supporters he has the will to build the wall.

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mongers

Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 14, 2019, 09:38:06 PM
It will be educational to learn what legal limitations there are on a president's power to declare an emergency.

To be fair to Trump is presidency is one long national emergency, bigely so.
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FunkMonk

Hot take: They're going the national emergency route to please his base knowing it will likely get destroyed in court, thereby eliminating the possibility a Dem President declares a national emergency over gun violence or climate change or eating meat.

Donald and his 11-dimensional thinking :hmm:
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Syt

I read somewhere that some of the redirected funds is from the disaster relief for California and Puerto Rico. Is that true? :unsure:
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Razgovory

Quote from: Syt on February 15, 2019, 01:01:09 AM
I read somewhere that some of the redirected funds is from the disaster relief for California and Puerto Rico. Is that true? :unsure:


He hasn't declared the emergency yet.
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Tamas

Quote from: Razgovory on February 15, 2019, 02:16:33 AM
Quote from: Syt on February 15, 2019, 01:01:09 AM
I read somewhere that some of the redirected funds is from the disaster relief for California and Puerto Rico. Is that true? :unsure:


He hasn't declared the emergency yet.

He'll dance back.

Tamas

Quote from: The EconomistThe 1976 National Emergencies Act makes it relatively easy for a president to declare an emergency. Since the act's passage 58 have been declared. Of these, 31 have been repeatedly renewed and are ongoing, including the National Emergency with Respect to Iran, first declared by Jimmy Carter in 1979.

:huh:

Threviel

Wait a minute, 31 national emergencies on-going and the oldest from 1979. That emergency framework looks like it needs some work.

This puts Trumps emergency in another far less serious light. Previous presidents seem to have declared emergencies monthly almost.

dps

Quote from: Threviel on February 15, 2019, 07:07:24 AM
Wait a minute, 31 national emergencies on-going and the oldest from 1979. That emergency framework looks like it needs some work.

This puts Trumps emergency in another far less serious light. Previous presidents seem to have declared emergencies monthly almost.

58 times in a bit over 42 years isn't exactly monthly, but it's still more than once a year.