News:

And we're back!

Main Menu

What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

Started by FunkMonk, November 08, 2016, 11:02:57 PM

Previous topic - Next topic

The Minsky Moment

Quote from: viper37 on December 02, 2016, 10:48:50 AM
Quote from: Valmy on December 02, 2016, 08:09:11 AM
But it IS a big issue. Some votes shouldn't count more than others simply because where you live. No other election in the US is run this way.
You country was designed as a union of States.

Common misconception.

Compare:
QuoteWe the undersigned Delegates of the States affixed to our Names send greeting.  Whereas the Delegates . . .  agree to certain articles of Confederation and perpetual Union between the States of New Hampshire, Massachusetts-bay, etc. . . .
The said States hereby severally enter into a firm league of friendship with each other, for their common defense, the security of their liberties, and their mutual and general welfare, binding themselves to assist each other, against all force offered to, or attacks made upon them, or any of them, on account of religion, sovereignty, trade, or any other pretense whatever.

TO

QuoteWe the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

America tried a union of states.  it didn't work.  It replaced it with a union of the People living in those states.
The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists.
--Joan Robinson

The Minsky Moment

Back on topic.  If this administration is going to have any chance of working at all, they have to figure out someway to take Trump out of the loop on foreign policy and interacting with foreign leaders.  He just doesn't get it and never will.
The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists.
--Joan Robinson

CountDeMoney

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on December 02, 2016, 01:43:06 PM
Back on topic.  If this administration is going to have any chance of working at all, they have to figure out someway to take Trump out of the loop on foreign policy and interacting with foreign leaders.  He just doesn't get it and never will.

Agreed.  Unfortunately, he will only allow so much of that.

frunk

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on December 02, 2016, 01:43:06 PM
Back on topic.  If this administration is going to have any chance of working at all, they have to figure out someway to take Trump out of the loop on foreign policy and interacting with foreign leaders.  He just doesn't get it and never will.

Ditto for the treasury, defense, attorney, interior, agriculture, commerce, labor, health and human services, transportation, energy, education, veterans affairs and homeland security.

Barrister

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on December 02, 2016, 01:43:06 PM
Back on topic.  If this administration is going to have any chance of working at all, they have to figure out someway to take Trump out of the loop on foreign policy and interacting with foreign leaders.  He just doesn't get it and never will.

I think (or at least hope) that foreign leaders will realize that Trump doesn't meany anything that he says.  He'll tell you whatever you want to hear, but never actually act on it.  They'll learn that in order to get things done they need to talk to the adults in the administration.
Posts here are my own private opinions.  I do not speak for my employer.

Berkut

Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 02, 2016, 01:46:51 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on December 02, 2016, 01:43:06 PM
Back on topic.  If this administration is going to have any chance of working at all, they have to figure out someway to take Trump out of the loop on foreign policy and interacting with foreign leaders.  He just doesn't get it and never will.

Agreed.  Unfortunately, he will only allow so much of that.

Yeah, that is the problem.

When he asked Kasich to be President for him if he got elected, I thought the same thing.

Guys like Trump are certainly interested in finding someone to do the work for them, but they cannot possibly resist stepping in and making big decisions at the worst times, despite having supposedly given up actual leadership.
"If you think this has a happy ending, then you haven't been paying attention."

select * from users where clue > 0
0 rows returned

garbon

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on December 02, 2016, 01:27:59 PM
Quote from: Berkut on December 02, 2016, 09:13:33 AM
What does upstate New York and New York City have in common politically, economically, or demographically such that it makes sense to include both in the same political body? Absolutely nothing that I can think of.

They both hosted Dutch settlers 350 years ago
Meanwhile, I've spent much of my life in a relatively small compact area that is fully integrated economically, socially, and shares vital transport links and yet is split between 3 different state governments.  Which can be a problem say when 1 of the governors decides to be a dick and blocks off a bridge.

What a sheltered existence.
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

Ed Anger

Quote from: derspiess on December 02, 2016, 11:16:33 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 02, 2016, 10:42:46 AM
Don't I get some credit at laughing at the goddamn pussy crybabies? WHAT ABOUT MY FEELINGS?

Jerk.

You're not a believable villain.  Diet Pepsi of evil, etc.

Stay Alive...Let the Man Drive

Berkut

Quote from: Barrister on December 02, 2016, 01:56:03 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on December 02, 2016, 01:43:06 PM
Back on topic.  If this administration is going to have any chance of working at all, they have to figure out someway to take Trump out of the loop on foreign policy and interacting with foreign leaders.  He just doesn't get it and never will.

I think (or at least hope) that foreign leaders will realize that Trump doesn't meany anything that he says.  He'll tell you whatever you want to hear, but never actually act on it.  They'll learn that in order to get things done they need to talk to the adults in the administration.

Best case though, that is still completely terrible. The issue isn't just a question of foriegn leadership knowing who to go to do "talk to an adult", it is that there are plenty of leaders out there looking to take advantage of the situation. The existence (even in theory) of actual adults somewhere won't protect the US from Trump being manipulated, or the spiceys of the world who worship him being led around by the nose by an ex-KGB agent who has them LOLZORING at "Lock her Her! Hillary" they fail to notice that their hero just blessed the first seizure of territory by force in Europe since the end of WW2.
"If you think this has a happy ending, then you haven't been paying attention."

select * from users where clue > 0
0 rows returned

Crazy_Ivan80

Quote from: Berkut on December 02, 2016, 01:56:34 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 02, 2016, 01:46:51 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on December 02, 2016, 01:43:06 PM
Back on topic.  If this administration is going to have any chance of working at all, they have to figure out someway to take Trump out of the loop on foreign policy and interacting with foreign leaders.  He just doesn't get it and never will.

Agreed.  Unfortunately, he will only allow so much of that.

Yeah, that is the problem.

When he asked Kasich to be President for him if he got elected, I thought the same thing.

Guys like Trump are certainly interested in finding someone to do the work for them, but they cannot possibly resist stepping in and making big decisions at the worst times, despite having supposedly given up actual leadership.

and that's how you lose wars in Russia...

CountDeMoney

Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on December 02, 2016, 02:06:47 PM
and that's how you lose wars in Russia...

And foolishly authorize the use of nuclear weapons.

derspiess

Quote from: Ed Anger on December 02, 2016, 01:59:46 PM
Quote from: derspiess on December 02, 2016, 11:16:33 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 02, 2016, 10:42:46 AM
Don't I get some credit at laughing at the goddamn pussy crybabies? WHAT ABOUT MY FEELINGS?

Jerk.

You're not a believable villain.  Diet Pepsi of evil, etc.



Leave Chris Hayes out of this.
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

The Minsky Moment

Quote from: Barrister on December 02, 2016, 01:56:03 PM
I think (or at least hope) that foreign leaders will realize that Trump doesn't meany anything that he says.  He'll tell you whatever you want to hear, but never actually act on it.  They'll learn that in order to get things done they need to talk to the adults in the administration.

That's not really a viable solution.  The "adults" may differ, they may be undercut by Trump, and sometimes there needs to be a clear statement from the President.  Not to mention that ignoring what he says is very risky because he has the authority to act and you never know when he'll use it.  You can e.g. try to reassure India that his remarks to Pakistan are not meant seriously, but inevitably they are going to think - OK but what if he decides he DOES mean it after all.
The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists.
--Joan Robinson

garbon

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on December 02, 2016, 02:35:47 PM
Quote from: Barrister on December 02, 2016, 01:56:03 PM
I think (or at least hope) that foreign leaders will realize that Trump doesn't meany anything that he says.  He'll tell you whatever you want to hear, but never actually act on it.  They'll learn that in order to get things done they need to talk to the adults in the administration.

That's not really a viable solution.  The "adults" may differ, they may be undercut by Trump, and sometimes there needs to be a clear statement from the President.  Not to mention that ignoring what he says is very risky because he has the authority to act and you never know when he'll use it.  You can e.g. try to reassure India that his remarks to Pakistan are not meant seriously, but inevitably they are going to think - OK but what if he decides he DOES mean it after all.

So we picked up Kaiser Willy?
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

Barrister

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on December 02, 2016, 02:35:47 PM
Quote from: Barrister on December 02, 2016, 01:56:03 PM
I think (or at least hope) that foreign leaders will realize that Trump doesn't meany anything that he says.  He'll tell you whatever you want to hear, but never actually act on it.  They'll learn that in order to get things done they need to talk to the adults in the administration.

That's not really a viable solution.  The "adults" may differ, they may be undercut by Trump, and sometimes there needs to be a clear statement from the President.  Not to mention that ignoring what he says is very risky because he has the authority to act and you never know when he'll use it.  You can e.g. try to reassure India that his remarks to Pakistan are not meant seriously, but inevitably they are going to think - OK but what if he decides he DOES mean it after all.

Well hopefully the final decision from the adults will come from VP Pence.

I'm not saying this is a firm prediction - more just trying to be hopeful.
Posts here are my own private opinions.  I do not speak for my employer.