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Evaluating Obama's 8 years

Started by Hamilcar, October 30, 2016, 01:23:18 PM

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DGuller

#15
October 30, 2016, 05:37:44 PM
I think history's judgment will depend on how historians will evaluate his inability to defeat GOP, which set out to sabotage him from day one and largely succeeded.  Were his hand really tied, or could he have outmaneuvered them had he had more political skill?

Monoriu

#16
October 30, 2016, 05:55:59 PM
Quote from: grumbler on October 30, 2016, 05:36:36 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on October 30, 2016, 05:10:15 PM
I rank him around 15 in the historical ranking of all US presidents.

Interesting, and from an outside viewpoint.  As a matter of curiosity, and so i can get a feel for your metrics, between which two presidents would you sandwich him (roughly)?

Kennedy and Johnson.

Josquius

#17
October 31, 2016, 03:18:20 AM
He tried oh how he tried. I blame the republicans. Of course.
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Zoupa

#18
October 31, 2016, 04:53:36 AM
From a Franco/Canadian perspective: great orator, campaigner. Managed to reform healthcare somewhat. Did not close Guantanamo. Did not contain Russia (not sure what he could have done differently there).

Kinda hard to do anything significant when you don't control Congress. I guess he didn't do enough to make sure not to lose midterms.

6.5/10? I dunno. Charismatic, smart, his election had significance but I'm not sure what he'll be remembered for.

garbon

#19
October 31, 2016, 08:05:23 AM
Quote from: Zoupa on October 31, 2016, 04:53:36 AM
6.5/10? I dunno. Charismatic, smart, his election had significance but I'm not sure what he'll be remembered for.

First black president?
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#20
October 31, 2016, 08:18:08 AM
Quote from: garbon on October 31, 2016, 08:05:23 AM
Quote from: Zoupa on October 31, 2016, 04:53:36 AM
6.5/10? I dunno. Charismatic, smart, his election had significance but I'm not sure what he'll be remembered for.

First black president?

Yeah but while it is an achievement to grab the POTUS seat while being black, it is not a very kind reflection on you when your greatest achievement in your job is the colour of your skin.

Scipio

#21
October 31, 2016, 09:46:23 AM
He has killed a shitload of brown people, so I don't know how that cleaves among you enlightened glowing balls of light.
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Grey Fox

#22
October 31, 2016, 10:09:00 AM
His 8 years won't matter much. He'll be remembered the same way remember Taft.
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Eddie Teach

#23
October 31, 2016, 10:13:20 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on October 31, 2016, 10:09:00 AM
His 8 years won't matter much. He'll be remembered the same way remember Taft.

As somebody who  couldn't fit in his bathtub?  :huh:
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#24
October 31, 2016, 10:26:53 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on October 31, 2016, 10:09:00 AM
His 8 years won't matter much. He'll be remembered the same way remember Taft.

The only man to lead multiple branches of the Federal Government? Maybe. But John Roberts seems like he is not going anywhere for awhile.
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#25
October 31, 2016, 10:36:15 AM
Quote from: Valmy on October 31, 2016, 10:26:53 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on October 31, 2016, 10:09:00 AM
His 8 years won't matter much. He'll be remembered the same way remember Taft.

The only man to lead multiple branches of the Federal Government?

How quickly we forget James K. Polk. :alberta:
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Razgovory

#26
October 31, 2016, 10:51:53 AM
Quote from: Eddie Teach on October 31, 2016, 10:36:15 AM
Quote from: Valmy on October 31, 2016, 10:26:53 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on October 31, 2016, 10:09:00 AM
His 8 years won't matter much. He'll be remembered the same way remember Taft.

The only man to lead multiple branches of the Federal Government?

How quickly we forget James K. Polk. :alberta:

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grumbler

#27
October 31, 2016, 11:12:05 AM
Quote from: Scipio on October 31, 2016, 09:46:23 AM
He has killed a shitload of brown people, so I don't know how that cleaves among you enlightened glowing balls of light.

Probably killed fewer brown people than any president since Carter, though.  The next president that does not kill a shitload of brown people will be the first.
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#28
October 31, 2016, 11:43:11 AM
Quote from: garbon on October 31, 2016, 08:05:23 AM
Quote from: Zoupa on October 31, 2016, 04:53:36 AM
6.5/10? I dunno. Charismatic, smart, his election had significance but I'm not sure what he'll be remembered for.

First black president?

garbon

#29
October 31, 2016, 11:44:56 AM
You ended on I don't know what he will be remembered for.
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