Shots fired in Munich mall - possibly several dead and injured

[Valmy]

A heist eh? They were holding up a McDonalds?

Seems to be lots of rumors being tossed around in the short term.

[Sheilbh]

God, apparently a 15 year old girl died after being in intensive care in hospital

[dps]

A heist eh? They were holding up a McDonalds?

Seems to be lots of rumors being tossed around in the short term.

Well, fast food places do get robbed occasionally, though I'm not sure why you would commit an armed robbery of a fast food restaurant;  if I was going to risk the prison sentence that armed robbery carries, I'd want to hit something more lucrative.

[Valmy]

God, apparently a 15 year old girl died after being in intensive care in hospital

Ah fuck.

[Barrister]

A heist eh? They were holding up a McDonalds?

Seems to be lots of rumors being tossed around in the short term.

Well, fast food places do get robbed occasionally, though I'm not sure why you would commit an armed robbery of a fast food restaurant;  if I was going to risk the prison sentence that armed robbery carries, I'd want to hit something more lucrative.

"more lucrative" places usually have more security though.

[Legbiter]

Is it true one of the gunmen shot himself in the head? Sky News was reporting this.

[Hamilcar]

The Munich police come out of this looking rather badly. Poor information management.

[dps]

A heist eh? They were holding up a McDonalds?

Seems to be lots of rumors being tossed around in the short term.

Well, fast food places do get robbed occasionally, though I'm not sure why you would commit an armed robbery of a fast food restaurant;  if I was going to risk the prison sentence that armed robbery carries, I'd want to hit something more lucrative.

"more lucrative" places usually have more security though.

True, and even ones that don't might be a more difficult target.  Having worked in both, I can tell you that even a fairly low-volume discount department store is a much more lucrative target than a restaurant, and there's really not much more security, but OTOH, in most fast food places it would be much easier to see and control everyone in the building.  Trying an armed robbery in a department store, there would be just too many people around that you might not even be able to see.

I remember reading about a particularly nasty armed robbery of a fast food restaurant several years ago.  IIRC it was a Wendys in NYC.  Apparently the robber or robbers came inside right at closing time, and forced everyone in the store into the freezer, then shot all of them in the back of the head, execution style.  You couldn't really pull something like that off in a Walmart or Target or K-Mart.

[Malicious Intent]

Is it true one of the gunmen shot himself in the head? Sky News was reporting this.

There have been a few reports to this direction, the first appearing at around 21:00 GMT.

Police has just confirmed that a male corpse has been found close to the mall. Not clear if dead attacker or another victim.

[mongers]

The Munich police come out of this looking rather badly. Poor information management.

Maybe they don't want to give to much information to the terrorists about what the police are doing?

[Malicious Intent]

The Munich police come out of this looking rather badly. Poor information management.

Maybe they don't want to give to much information to the terrorists about what the police are doing?

That's what they have said. They asked news networks to take down pictures and videos of ongoing police activity. The spectre of 1972, I guess.

[Sheilbh]

Also Nice. There were very graphic videos on Twitter very shortly after the attack. Not sure it helps anyone.

[Malicious Intent]

The attacker was apparently shouting that he is German. And it's exactly 5 years since the Breivik attack.

I just saw that video. One attacker walked on top of a parking garage, gun in hand. A nearby resident threw (partially racist) insults on him from his window. Another resident filmed the scene. The attacker spoke fluent German, claimed to have been born here. I can't make out all he's saying, thanks to the shouting resident, but he also says something about "Hartz IV" (a low form of social assistance for long term unemployed) and "Behandlung" (treatment).

http://www.focus.de/politik/videos/nach-toedlichen-schuessen-in-muenchen-ich-bin-deutscher-anwohner-filmte-streitgespraech-mit-einem-der-attentaeter_id_5755674.html

[Richard Hakluyt]

A heist eh? They were holding up a McDonalds?

Seems to be lots of rumors being tossed around in the short term.

This would be incredibly unlikely in a European context. Using weapons, because it is so rare, is a guaranteed way of getting caught. It is simply not good business. This has to be a nutjob of some sort, Islamist or neo-Nazi time will tell.

[11B4V]

Banking on another radicalized knob.