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Started by Maladict, July 15, 2016, 03:11:18 PM

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Solmyr

#480
July 20, 2016, 04:59:40 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on July 20, 2016, 11:40:29 AM
Quote from: Malthus on July 20, 2016, 11:13:36 AM
Quote from: celedhring on July 20, 2016, 10:50:55 AM
Hasn't there been a public reconciliation with Russia? Erdogan and Putin seem birds of a feather so I'm sure they'd find a way to align their countries.

They are very similar, but that doesn't necessarily make them friends. Putin is among other things a Russian populist nationalist; and Russia has historic ambitions that conflict with those of Turkey.

It is true that Erdogan has been attempting to mend fences with Putin; they are supposed to meet in August. But then, Erdogan's been mending fences with other prior victims of his anger recently - he's even reached a rapport with Israel, as of last month.

http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.727369

My guess is that he was starting to feel a trifle friendless - he can't be feuding with everyone at the same time, so if he wants to start some new feuds, he has to end some old ones.

Yeah, there are some big hurdles to Turkey and Russia being allies. In addition to what you mention, and other things, anti Muslim sentiment is quite high in Russia, and support for Azerbaijan is very high in Turkey (with Russia strongly supporting Armenia). Russia strongly supports Assad, Turkey is strongly against the guy.

None of these are problems for Putin. In fact, lately Putin has been mending fences with Erdogan rather than the other way around. As I said, Turkey may become a security risk for NATO if Russia manages to get a connection with it.

alfred russel

#481
July 20, 2016, 05:04:27 PM
Quote from: Solmyr on July 20, 2016, 04:59:40 PM

None of these are problems for Putin. In fact, lately Putin has been mending fences with Erdogan rather than the other way around. As I said, Turkey may become a security risk for NATO if Russia manages to get a connection with it.

Also lots of Turkish nutjobs with tenuous connections to Erdogan support the insurgency in the Caucasus and there is some pan Turkish sentiment as well that runs into conflict with Russian interests in Central Asia.
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Hamilcar

#482
July 20, 2016, 05:32:43 PM
Is the power at Incirlik still off? Is Erdogan pushing the US that far?

Ed Anger

#483
July 20, 2016, 06:48:30 PM
Quote from: Hamilcar on July 20, 2016, 05:32:43 PM
Is the power at Incirlik still off? Is Erdogan pushing the US that far?

Combat operations resumed, so I assume power is on.
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Solmyr

#484
July 21, 2016, 06:13:12 AM
Some Iranian media are reporting that Erdogan may have been tipped off by Russian intelligence services about the coming coup.

Duque de Bragança

#485
July 21, 2016, 06:14:55 AM
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Austria summons Turkish ambassador over pro-Erdoğan demonstrations in Vienna

Austria has summoned Turkey's ambassador to explain Ankara's links to demonstrations in Austria in support of Turkey's president Tayyip Erdogan, who is leading a crackdown after a failed coup, Foreign Minister Sebastian Kurz on Thursday.

Kurz told ORF radio that the ambassador would be asked whether Turkish officials encouraged thousands of people in Austria to take to the streets over recent days in support of Erdogan after the attempt to unseat him.

"We want to clarify... which direction Turkey is going to take," Kurz said in an interview broadcast by ORF on Thursday.

"Secondly, we have evidence that the demonstrations for Erdogan that have taken place in Vienna were called for directly from Turkey... and that, of course, is absolutely untenable and we want to protest against that," he said.

Erdogan declared a state of emergency on Wednesday as he widened a crackdown against thousands of members of the security forces, judiciary, civil service and academia after the failed military coup.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-security-austria-idUSKCN1010GE

No spontaneous demonstrations. Everything organised from Turkey! Shock!

Savonarola

#486
July 21, 2016, 01:48:18 PM
What does arresting 9,000 officers do to Turkey's military readiness?

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derspiess

#487
July 21, 2016, 02:07:01 PM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on July 21, 2016, 06:14:55 AM
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Austria summons Turkish ambassador over pro-Erdoğan demonstrations in Vienna

Austria has summoned Turkey's ambassador to explain Ankara's links to demonstrations in Austria in support of Turkey's president Tayyip Erdogan, who is leading a crackdown after a failed coup, Foreign Minister Sebastian Kurz on Thursday.

Kurz told ORF radio that the ambassador would be asked whether Turkish officials encouraged thousands of people in Austria to take to the streets over recent days in support of Erdogan after the attempt to unseat him.

"We want to clarify... which direction Turkey is going to take," Kurz said in an interview broadcast by ORF on Thursday.

"Secondly, we have evidence that the demonstrations for Erdogan that have taken place in Vienna were called for directly from Turkey... and that, of course, is absolutely untenable and we want to protest against that," he said.

Erdogan declared a state of emergency on Wednesday as he widened a crackdown against thousands of members of the security forces, judiciary, civil service and academia after the failed military coup.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-security-austria-idUSKCN1010GE

No spontaneous demonstrations. Everything organised from Turkey! Shock!

I'd have been leery of allowing Turks into Vienna in the first place.
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Tamas

#488
July 21, 2016, 02:07:57 PM
About a dozen tv stations and newspapers have lost their permissions to air/publish due to their involvement in Guelist movement.

Erdogan really is not wasting any time is he?

Valmy

#489
July 21, 2016, 02:13:52 PM
Quote from: Tamas on July 21, 2016, 02:07:57 PM
About a dozen tv stations and newspapers have lost their permissions to air/publish due to their involvement in Guelist movement.

Erdogan really is not wasting any time is he?

Weird. All of the Gulenist papers and TV stations were already shut down. I guess maybe these are the ones who once said that Gulen is not so bad.
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Tamas

#490
July 21, 2016, 02:42:49 PM
Quote from: Valmy on July 21, 2016, 02:13:52 PM
Quote from: Tamas on July 21, 2016, 02:07:57 PM
About a dozen tv stations and newspapers have lost their permissions to air/publish due to their involvement in Guelist movement.

Erdogan really is not wasting any time is he?

Weird. All of the Gulenist papers and TV stations were already shut down. I guess maybe these are the ones who once said that Gulen is not so bad.

my guess is these are the ones that did things other than praising Erdogan and his magnificient manlihood.

grumbler

#491
July 21, 2016, 02:48:50 PM
Quote from: Tamas on July 21, 2016, 02:42:49 PM
Quote from: Valmy on July 21, 2016, 02:13:52 PM
Quote from: Tamas on July 21, 2016, 02:07:57 PM
About a dozen tv stations and newspapers have lost their permissions to air/publish due to their involvement in Guelist movement.

Erdogan really is not wasting any time is he?

Weird. All of the Gulenist papers and TV stations were already shut down. I guess maybe these are the ones who once said that Gulen is not so bad.


my guess is these are the ones that did things other than praising Erdogan and his magnificient manlihood.

Right now, I wouldn't want to be the guy who said Erdogan was like Gollum.  I think that is now definitely seen as a pledge of loyalty to Gulen.
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mongers

#492
July 21, 2016, 03:20:05 PM
Erdogan behaviour and diplomacy increasingly reminds me of an AI player from Civ5.
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citizen k

#493
July 22, 2016, 11:16:56 PM

See Turkish Intelligence HQ Strafed by Rebel Helicopter
http://www.nbcnews.com/widget/video-embed/727198275936

:o

Razgovory

#494
July 23, 2016, 07:40:18 AM
It's okay, it was a secular strafing.
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