Are you down with TPP?

[Razgovory]

I was fine with it.

[crazy canuck]

If I was American I would be pleased.   As a Canadian I am wary of the dispute resolution procedures.

[jimmy olsen]

No. It's trademarks & copyrights demands are appalling.

Same.

[Admiral Yi]

What do you guys object to?  I skimmed the relevant wiki but don't feel particularly enlightened.

[LaCroix]

What do you guys object to?  I skimmed the relevant wiki but don't feel particularly enlightened.

just throwing it out there, but if TPP enforces american copyright laws on oceania, some people might be upset that asian companies would have the ability to protect their intellectual property

[Monoriu]

The most surprising thing to me is actually the thread title.  Until now, I have no idea what "are you down with ___" means. 

[derspiess]

The most surprising thing to me is actually the thread title.  Until now, I have no idea what "are you down with ___" means. 

https://youtu.be/6xGuGSDsDrM

[CountDeMoney]

Mono is down with CCP.

[derspiess]

[Grey Fox]

What do you guys object to?  I skimmed the relevant wiki but don't feel particularly enlightened.

All of it. It's extension of everything. Longer terms, more controls, curtails fair uses.

[viper37]

Some provisions of the accord, like the intellectual property are not entirely to my liking, as I think they disfavour inovations and do not protect consumer rights of fair use.

I'm still on the fence if the advantages we gain outweight the downside of these, but it ain't entirely negative, as Trump & Sanders would paint it.

[viper37]

What do you guys object to?  I skimmed the relevant wiki but don't feel particularly enlightened.

Mainly that the copyright holder decides what is fair use now.

Say I want to watch Game of Thrones. My recorder got broken the other day.  The only legal way for me to watch it would have been to log on The Movie Network site and use their stream to watch it.  In low definition, highly pixelated.

Instead, I went online and downloaded a torrent.  Since I am a paid subscriber of HBO, if I were to get sued, I could have a defense there, if corporations bother to sue in Canada, which they don't for now.  With the TPP, I would have been sued by HBO for hundreds of thousands of dollars and "fair use" would not have been a legitimate defense.

Besides, all these geoblock are obsolete nowadays.  We should move toward easing such restrictions to access content, not impede with market laws.

[Valmy]

Basically I am down with TPP. I do think the government has to watch itself here, these agreements are getting steadily less popular even as they continue to work. Putting a bunch of controversial measures in might doom it in the Senate.

[Berkut]

My problem with these kinds of treaties is that once you get into them, they become very hard to adjust. It is hard enough to tweak national level laws when you realize they aren't quite working the way you want - it is basically impossible to tweak an international, multi-state treaty once some part of one of those states figures out a way to exploit some weakness in the deal.

[The Minsky Moment]

Mainly that the copyright holder decides what is fair use now..

Completely untrue.
The applicable TPP provision is Article 18.66:

Each Party shall endeavour to achieve an appropriate balance in its copyright and related rights system, among other things by means of limitations or exceptions that are consistent with Article 18.65 (Limitations and Exceptions), including those for the digital environment, giving due consideration to legitimate purposes such as, but not limited to: criticism; comment; news reporting; teaching, scholarship, research, and other similar purposes; and facilitating access to published works for persons who are blind, visually impaired or otherwise print disabled.

18.65 merely states that exceptions and limitations cannot conflict with normal exploitation of the work and "does not unreasonably prejudice" the rightholder.

Nothing in the treaty would require a party to allow copyright holders to define fair use.  Indeed such a standard would conflict with 18.66 requirement of balance.  (it would also conflict with US law BTW).

AFAIK the TPP is the only treaty of its kind to incorporate an actual requirement that states implement a fair use regime in copyright.  So that particular criticism is really misplaced.

What you may have been thinking of  is that the TPP would extend prohibitions on the use of devices to circumvent technological prevention measures, as is currently included in the American DMCA law.  That I could see giving rise to objections and concerns although in my understanding it hasn't caused any signficiant problems in the US.