Tesla's new rechargeable batteries for home

[jimmy olsen]

Has Tesla made any money yet?

Just took $300 million in down payments for 300,000 cars. The orders are worth more than 10 billion dollars.

[Valmy]

Nah you just need an inverter. No big deal.

Looking it up, inverters seem to be much more efficient than when I was dealing with them.  Objection withdrawn.

Yep. Technology has come a long way recently.

[Admiral Yi]

Has Tesla made any money yet?

Just took $300 million in down payments for 300,000 cars. The orders are worth more than 10 billion dollars.

Revenues are not profits Timmy.

[derspiess]

Has Tesla made any money yet?

Just took $300 million in down payments for 300,000 cars. The orders are worth more than 10 billion dollars.

Revenues are not profits Timmy.

Hey, he can only excel at one thing (English) at a time!

[viper37]

Do you need to produce wind resources actually in Quebec? It is not like electrons cannot move quickly from one region to another, though I know Quebec has its own grid.

Importing electricity would likely cost more and remove any control we have on the prices.
Geographically speaking, I guess any coastal are could do, as well as Hudson Bay (Churchill, Manitoba, northern Ontario, northern Quebec) and Great lakes area (Thunderbay).  US could be a possibility too, with Maine and Massachussets.  But since they are actually importing electricity from us, I doubt it's a viable option.

[viper37]

60 watt is nothing, but that looks awfully expensive compared to most solar panels I have seen (I haven't seen that many). What does the kit include, exactly? 

I checked very quickly at Canadian Tire, a retail store, they showed a kit for the solar panel and some other kit for "universal installation", I added both.  It's not like I've done extensive research accross multiple jurisdictions under multiple hypothesis

[viper37]

Still a tad pricey.  Interesting concept, but I don't see myself getting something like that until a decade or more.

It will not take that long. Things are moving along pretty quickly now. But note: solar resources might not be just great in Quebec. Large banks of these batteries might be great for supporting wind resources though. I know Texas is working on that.

the problem with Quebec is that the only thing we have en masse, and even that is changing, is snow.  And water.

Most locations in "mainstream" Quebec aren't suitable for wind parks, there is not enough strong winds (and not often enough, mostly) along the St-Lawrence valley, except when your reach the Gaspé peninsula to sustain that.  Basically, we can put such wind farms in eastern quebec, south&north of the river and higher up north.  In places where there isn't much people.

I could see it replacing diesel generators for isolated communites though.  It's an interesting technology.

The other thing Quebec has is lots and lots of hydro-electric.  IIRC you have some of the cheapest power in Canada, and all greenhouse gas free.

The greens are against harnessing river power.  The Quebec government has decided to invest in wind power, at an higher cost than we sell electricity to our neighbours and not so neighbours.

Since they tried using wind power as the main source of power, it costs more than if it was used intelligently, to supplement hydro-power, to reduce the size of the required damns.
But that's what happens when you listen to the hard left.

[viper37]

I can keep them from going to below 20%.  Usually.  There is no way I can keep them below 80%.  I am not going to watch batteries being recharged and disconnect them at 80%.  I simply won't do that. 

however, it should be fairly easy to have battery charger that will just do that for you.  Start the charge at 20%, stop it at 80%.  I'm sure it can be done.

[Valmy]

For all their barking about being concerned about global warming the leftists sure work hard to keep coal plants pumping out the CO2. The constant refrain that nobody should ever make hard choices and it is either purity or nothing makes leftists horrible allies as a group.

[Valmy]

I can keep them from going to below 20%.  Usually.  There is no way I can keep them below 80%.  I am not going to watch batteries being recharged and disconnect them at 80%.  I simply won't do that. 

however, it should be fairly easy to have battery charger that will do just that for your.  Start the charge at 20%, stop it at 80%.  I'm sure it can be done.

Especially with something like a big battery bank for your home.

[viper37]

Has Tesla made any money yet?

Just took $300 million in down payments for 300,000 cars. The orders are worth more than 10 billion dollars.

Revenues are not profits Timmy.

No, but you usually do not generate profits without sales.  Having no ideas of their costs structure, it's impossible for me to tell if it's enough or too little, but it's a start.  And I do think they make more than 2% gross profit per car sale.

[Valmy]

Based on their past operating expenses 10 Billion should put them in the black pretty decisively. But they tend to keep expanding their operations as revenue increases.

[viper37]

For all their barking about being concerned about global warming the leftists sure work hard to keep coal plants pumping out the CO2. The constant refrain that nobody should ever make hard choices and it is either purity or nothing makes leftists horrible allies as a group.

That's what I've been arguing for years.  Other parties I've voted for too, and they were ridiculed.  We have lots of hydro power, more than any other provinces except maybe BC, and we can also generate wind up north, to supplement our hydro power.

Other provinces and US states often rely on coal to produce their electricity.  If we produce more and build the power lines, jointly, we can convince them to shut down these plants and reduce CO2 emissions.  As it is now, the choice for these states&provinces is nuclear or coal.  Easy to figure why they go for coal power.

[Admiral Yi]

Thank God for cheap, delicious fracked natural gas. 

[Valmy]

Thank God for cheap, delicious fracked natural gas. 

Fracking is absolutely essential in the short term. Solar and wind and other technologies are on their way but if you are serious about global warming you need to support fracking...at least for awhile as distasteful as that might be for some. Yet Bernie Sanders wants to ban it nation wide.